there have been a bunch of trekkie conversations over the years about justifying the lack of an internet and some other technologies that came to prominence during/after the 1990s in the series and it turns out real life is doing a great job of showing why society might choose to stop having those things.
This is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.
Internet is required for virtually every aspect of society right now. You think people will stop using the internet when it is required to find a job or hail a taxi? Offline mechanisms to do those things and others are only becoming more rare with each passing day.
Maybe people will give up Facebook, but even believing that is likely is naïve.
This is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.
This came off as far more hostile and insulting than I intended. Sorry for being a dick.
The human cost of WWIII is even more bleak than the west being lost to neoliberal capitalism forever.
Building dual power is probably the only way to circumvent this, which would necessarily include communication systems. Given that the fediverse is completely vulnerable to LLM spam bots, I don’t think we have the means to implement this via anything that exists now.
Chicken and egg problem with needing to reach people to stir development or get people off proprietary comms systems. I don’t think western left has the juice to do anything required for revolution, and we probably have the deck stacked against our success than most revolutions that have failed.
i’d say “normies stop using the internet” is less out there than the white western left doing a revolution.
You fail to account for the possibility that the white western left does the stupidest revolution imaginable. Doubtful, but a revolution that doesn’t completely threaten bourgeois interests could succeed. Maybe then the conditions could be met for our October revolution.
In reality, neither of these will happen. Only way either of these happen within our lifetimes is if a civil war destroys enough of modern internet infrastructure.
:bloomer: maybe there’ll be a reckoning
there have been a bunch of trekkie conversations over the years about justifying the lack of an internet and some other technologies that came to prominence during/after the 1990s in the series and it turns out real life is doing a great job of showing why society might choose to stop having those things.
This is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.
Internet is required for virtually every aspect of society right now. You think people will stop using the internet when it is required to find a job or hail a taxi? Offline mechanisms to do those things and others are only becoming more rare with each passing day.
Maybe people will give up Facebook, but even believing that is likely is naïve.
if they understand it lead to world war three maybe they wouldn’t rebuild it.
i’d say “normies stop using the internet” is less out there than the white western left doing a revolution.
This came off as far more hostile and insulting than I intended. Sorry for being a dick.
The human cost of WWIII is even more bleak than the west being lost to neoliberal capitalism forever.
Building dual power is probably the only way to circumvent this, which would necessarily include communication systems. Given that the fediverse is completely vulnerable to LLM spam bots, I don’t think we have the means to implement this via anything that exists now.
Chicken and egg problem with needing to reach people to stir development or get people off proprietary comms systems. I don’t think western left has the juice to do anything required for revolution, and we probably have the deck stacked against our success than most revolutions that have failed.
You fail to account for the possibility that the white western left does the stupidest revolution imaginable. Doubtful, but a revolution that doesn’t completely threaten bourgeois interests could succeed. Maybe then the conditions could be met for our October revolution.
In reality, neither of these will happen. Only way either of these happen within our lifetimes is if a civil war destroys enough of modern internet infrastructure.
I hope you’re right