But F the poor I guess

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    But it is also absurd that we, on one hand, agree that all human lives have equal worth… and on the other straight up consider a citicizen to be worth more than 1000 non-citizens.

    I don’t know how one can possibly argue that it is humane and in line with what we say our values are.

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      I think it also has to do with the fact they’re illegally crossing. If an American or a Filipino got lost in Europe they’d still search for them. Hell, every year here in Croatia we have to rescue Czechs who climb up mountains in flip flops.
      I guess the reason is that what they’re doing is illegal, and you don’t have enough resources to track and save every single migrant ship.
      I mean, I don’t remember hearing Frontex or national coast guards completely ignoring sinking ships, they often try to save them from what I know, they just don’t have as many resources.

      But I do think rescue capabilities could be improved. I don’t know how hard it is, but I feel like with modern technology, setting up radar combined with satellite imagery shouldn’t be that hard. Ships stick out of the water a lot, so tracking the ships that are out of place shouldn’t be too hard.

      Regarding immigration, once I believed we should take in all refugees, but now I’ve come to realise that it’s more complicated. Untill we figure out how to properly assimilate them into society, it will only lead to problems and disappointment on both sides. If immigrants huddle up into segregated communities they won’t assimilate, they’ll be poor, and that’s the source of all conflict. I don’t believe they’re any different from us, nor that their cultures are completely incompatible, but if they become segregated they will be ostracized from society, they’ll be poor and resent society for shunning them. They came to this land from so far away, hearing promises of how great it is, and then they live worse than they did back home. That leads to crime, more resentment and racism, leading to them having an even harder time. It’s a brutal cycle.

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        I think it also has to do with the fact they’re illegally crossing

        You do realize what these billionaires were doing was illegal too? It is riddled with safety and security violations, but were only able to bypass it because they did it entirely on their own.

        But hey, the lives of hundreds of thousands does not matter if the some random corrupt legislator did not create a legal path for them to immigrate. Totally makes sense.

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        I don’t remember hearing Frontex or national coast guards completely ignoring sinking ships

        Are you serious? Or do you mean to say you did not hear about them ignoring ships since they are usually watching them drowning or even actively trying to sink them?

        They came to this land from so far away, hearing promises of how great it is, and then they live worse than they did back home.

        Ahh, so you are just helping them by denying basic human rights of seeking for asylum and a better life. That’s too kind of you.

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        If an American or a Filipino got lost in Europe they’d still search for them.

        American, sure. Filipino? Hard doubt. Source?