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Everyone paying 299$ for inear buds with a display case
Great, now people will buy a case to protect their case.
Oh wait, they already do
I did not know there were that many options. I knew they have cases because I’ve seen Erik try to sell some raycon travel case using code BIGMONEYSALVIA.
Thanks. I hate it.
Waiting for the airpod triple case to show up.
For the fancier aftermarket case cases, it really is prudent.
I mean, IF they also add internal storage for mp3 files and it would act as an oldschool mp3-player/ipod, that would be actually cool … but I don’t need another display … you already have one on your phone and maybe also on your wrist
Absolutely revolutionary creams in pants I have never before witnessed this level of utter genius before in my entire 30 some odd years of existence. I was right in front of us checks notes this entire time and we were blinded by our own hubris.
TLDR; Nature finds a way.
I have earbuds that don’t need to be charged and use a cable for easy connectivity and sound quality.
You know what’s easier than a cable? No cable.
I’ll give you sound quality, but the whole reason that wireless earbuds took off is the hassle of wires.
No, what did it was removing headphone jacks and selling only crappy non-repairable headphones.
And also no latency. Even expensive Bluetooth headphones and earbuds have crap latency. The systems that don’t are either proprietary and not widely supported (e.g. aptX) or expensive 'phones-and-dongle arrangements that must always travel in a pair and still don’t compete on latency with a pair of dollar store earbuds.
If you’re listening to podcasts or music, latency doesn’t really matter.
Unless you’re using them for gaming or some other interactive medium, latency doesn’t really matter though. For music, latency is irrelevant and for video, your device will take care of syncing the audio and video playback so it’s a non issue. Audio quality is an entirely different matter of course.
Your video player “can” account for latency if you configure it correctly which I imagine the majority of people don’t do, and simply put up with it. Ditto with your music playback always lagging 1-2 seconds behind your control inputs. I have never used a media player on any platform that automatically figured out audio latency. Maybe the iDevices do if you pair them with Airpods, I don’t know; I don’t own anything Apple and I never will.
It also matters for music production, and makes life a lot more pleasant for audio/video editing. Plus, latency is just annoying in any setting.
If you have 1-2 seconds of audio delay with bluetooth, something is wrong. SBC bluetooth audio has like 200ms max.
Which is noticable if you make an effort, but for non-interactive media, it’s negligible imo.
There’s nothing to configure with modern android and Windows devices, it just works from my experience. Watching a video on YouTube or on the native media players at least you get a fraction of a second where it’s out of sync and then it pauses the video for whatever time necessary to get back in sync, and no issues from there on out.
The only instances where I notice it doesn’t work are games and video editing software, but yeah, those are just not use cases where wireless audio is appropriate
Your video player “can” account for latency if you configure it correctly which I imagine the majority of people don’t do.
Windows and Android do this automatically out of the box, don’t know about other platforms.
Ditto with your music playback always lagging 1-2 seconds behind your control inputs.
Since music isn’t an interactive medium, this doesn’t really matter much (also the latency is more like 100 to 500 ms depending on a variety of factors)
It also matters for music production, and makes life a lot more pleasant for audio/video editing
Well of course, if you’re doing that A) this is not an application for wireless audio solutions so…uh…duh and B) you’re probably not on a phone if you take video or music production seriously 😅
Yes indeed, Apple’s had acceptable latency (e.g. for YouTube) since no later than 2017.
I’ve only thought about it when specifically wondering how they pulled it off (and I assumed the phone did something slightly fancy to add a delay on the visual side)
Glad you’ve never paid their tax in any case!
I don’t know about iPhone, but I’ve notice a cool trick that my Android uses is, immediately upon unpausing a video, it will play and jump the video to the point it will need to be to sync the audio, so while you may skip back a few frames initially, you do receive immediate visual feedback rather than seeing a frozen frame while waiting for the audio delay.
not widely supported (e.g. aptX)
I can find over 600 aptX capable headphones as well as over 850 phones, also any laptop I ever had supported it (Linux though, so probably not always “official” lol).
Low latency is a thing, you can get this as low as ~30-50ms either through aptX LL / Adaptive, whatever the manufacturer apps do or by manually meddling with the settings for SBC. Will get rather unstable though since you effectively get rid of the buffer. Really depends on your usecase what you prefer. Personally I love having ANC headphones that support bluetooth but also got a headphone jack in cases where I sit in trains, buses or planes for hours and want to play some games or listen to music with a DAC.
Almost always Bluetooth for me.
Might plug into the car to get higher quality audio. Will use a cable with a mic at home, but even then I might use AirPods for listening and only use the cable to speak into.
It stands to reason there can’t be that many audiophiles who could tell the difference between Bluetooth and aux while listening to their little Spotify playlists, but oh boy-
So many more people can tell when you’re speaking over spanking-new $200 AirPods versus the old dinky pair of stock EarPods from the bottom of the junk drawer. Cable reins supreme, no competition. (and with the best dictation software, simply whispering into the hardwired mic is sufficient for ~95(+)% accuracy)
I finally went wireless a week ago. I realized their advantage when the cable on my headphones broke for a millionth time.
This is what did it for me a decade ago. So many wasted wired earbuds, I was literally buying a new set every 3 or 4 months because all it took was one bad yank to destroy them. I’d wear the cable under my shirt and tuck the slack into my pocket, but the fucker still got caught on… well pretty much everything it seemed like. The countertop, chairs, my hand, somebody else, vegetation, my bike. Sometimes their own momentum was enough to yank them out of my ears when I was skating or something. I still use wired at my PC and with my roku, but if I’m not sitting still then wired are simply too fragile and annoying for me to use. As annoying as a spotty Bluetooth connection can be, a failing wired connection is way worse.
I don’t remember what did it for me, I switched a while ago. But, I do clearly remember one time when I had the kind of moulded earphones that go really deep in your ear, and I caught the cable on something, and they got yanked out of my ears. That was pretty painful.
You really think that’s a dunk? “Wireless” just means you plug it in when not in use. There’s nothing hard about plugging in a 3.5mm audio jack. I’ve never been sufficiently convinced to actually use wireless headphones. They seem like more of a hassle for a worse listing experience.
Omg you people are some literal dinosaurus rex. New bad
Wireless means you plug it in occasionally, maybe once a week.
If you don’t value the convenience of wireless headphones, that’s great for you. For a lot of people, the cable is a real pain in the ass. It gets tangled up when it’s off. It gets caught up on things when it’s on, etc.
I definitely have to give it to wireless sets, they are really convenient. I’m clumsy and it’s nice not having to be aware of the cable. (The sudden yank out of my ears… Aaaaaaargh.)
But I’m also forgetful (I don’t always remember to charge it…) and I have a low tolerance for connection problems so I do prefer wired in some scenarios.
I don’t get some people’s obsession with hating on wireless earbuds and headsets.
i switched when phones dropped the jack but just recently went USB to 3.5mm. Sadly both are crap.
Honestly I’m going to look into a media device again.
Mm & also how about respecting the electronics and (maybe a little bit obsessive-compulsively) wrapping the entire cord up and zipping it into a case… every single time
(Skill or rather personal policy issue, ya, that one might be on me)
But don’t even have to put my head against the phone for a quick call when a single earbud is right in my pocket ready to be slipped out and stuck back in, blind ‘n’ fast
I feel like I’d forget to charge them. Or drop them in a public place and not want to put them in my ears because I’m a germaphobe. I know someone who dropped theirs in a toilet.
I feel like I’d forget to charge them
I thought that to but turned out to be a non-issue. Since most earbuds come in a case that holds multiple full charges for the earbuds themselves, and the case begins to complain about low battery early enough, even if I forget the first one or two times I notice the low battery state I’ve so far never run into a situation where I wanted to use them as had no charge left
Yeah, it’s a risk. But, there’s also a risk of getting your wired earbuds cord caught on something. I’ve had that happen and it yanked the phone off the table and sent it crashing to the floor. I’ve also had the buds get yanked out of my ears multiple times.
If I lived somewhere where winters were mild, I might still use wired headphones. When you only have to worry about a t-shirt or something managing the cord isn’t too bad. But, when you have to manage a hat, scarf, coat, etc. there are just too many things to get in the way of the cord.
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We’d love to, but manufacturers keep trying to force them down our throats. And when we express a different prererence or use case a bunch of trolls feel the need to pop out of the woodwork and tell us that no, we’re actually wrong and our use cases don’t actually exist.
How about you all don’t worry about what headphones other people are using?
We’d love to, but manufacturers keep trying to force them down our throats.
…that’s not where they’re supposed to go…
Well I tried running them under my shirt and they still got caught on shit. At least when they’re in my throat I can do a little slurp whenever there’s too much slack. It’s automatic at this point.
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THATS WHAT I SAID IN THE PARENT POST LOLLLLLLLLLL11??!01
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The reason wireless earbuds took off is that phones with headphone jacks stopped getting made.
Consumers didn’t prefer wireless earbuds. They preferred thinner and more water-resistant phones.I personally switched to wireless back when my phone still had a headphone jack. It’s just the better overall experience for me, and I suspect that I’m not alone in that. I’m going to continue arguing for manufacturers to keep including a headphone jack, but it’s not because I prefer wired headphones personally.
Lol, people downvoting you like they weren’t manipulated into spending 10x as much for a product that can’t be repaired, all in the name of profit.
Horrid quality and batteries are rarely replaceable. Pointless.
You know what’s easier than no cable? Not losing your ear buds
Haven’t been able to use ear buds outside of the house ever since they got rid of the jack
I’ve never lost one in at least a decade of using them. But, I don’t use the kind that just balance on the edge of your ear.
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Why are you so deep in your own bubble that you don’t believe that someone could simply prefer wireless? If that’s the case, you should get out more, meet more people, expand your horizons.
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Fight! Fight! Fight!
For me personally, I got wireless earbuds because they removed all the damn phone jacks and I didn’t have a choice.
I guess if I listened to crappy music I wouldn’t care about the sound quality.
Ooh, BUUURN! BUUUUUUUUUURN!!!
The lost technology of the ancients is most glorious.
Both have their pros and cons. I miss my Westone 1 IEMs that I had back in college. My buddy’s dog chewed them up. They were comfortable and super light, had great sound quality, a cord that wasn’t obnoxious. Not having a cord is great though too especially when I’m working. Multipoint connection is great too. I can be listening to stuff on my phone with it in my pocket, no cable getting in the way, and when I get a call on Teams, my Pixel Buds just switch over to the computer.
My earbuds are connected to a bt receiver that functions as a (not great, but okay) dac via usb too. Pro is that I can use the receiver with all my headphones, con is that it looks like an iPod shuffle gen 3
That’s neat
I really dont get cable simping here on Lemmy. It’s awful UX and yall can’t hear the sound difference anyway lmao
TIL “cable simping”
Depends on the earphone. But majority wouldn’t care.
TWS is hands down more intuitive.
people are going to lose and break these and it will cost than so much
That’s why the next generation earphones will be wired.
New air pods can’t be paired to them.
Tbf this might be the most original thing apple has done.
Look at JBL, i have a pair.
It’s annoying af, as the screen also has controls and somehow they respond to my sweaty back (from cycling) while i locked it before i left.
There are tons of chinese brands that offer this type of headphones with display
Yep. I have two pairs already.
I would agree, but yet again, this is something I’ve seen 4 other versions of before apple gets to it.
The items on display at the gas station counter don’t count.
Heh, yeah I’m talking about things I’ve seen on Amazon and stuff. Case with screen and data storage that can directly play to the headphones.
JBL has multiple models like this for at least 2 years
One way, pre-recorded beeper, more like it.
“technology is cyclical.”
Just an excuse to charge more for them. Cant think of any useful reason to have a screen on the case when you have your phone with you.
It’s an excuse to keep your product in the news/review cycle. You can’t just create a useful product and leave it at that. You have to constantly change shit so people are constantly talking about it. Why do you think iPhone keep switching between rounded and square edges? It’s not because one style is better then the other. It’s so reviewers have something to talk about. It’s why commercial OSes keep getting features no one asked for. It’s why car and truck bodies keep changing even though body lines have no effect on driveability.
Highlighting the importance of individualism even in communitarian beliefs.
You must have your taste so that you know what you need and want genuinely. Rather than new emotions being better. This is important to acknowledge as there will always be thoughts of neighbor has it better due to just differences.
You’d have a point, except in the case of Operating Systems, one of the reasons I bailed on Mac was the reduction in customization of the desktop. They kept removing the colors in favor of a safe for business grayscale.
In the case of trucks, I’d rather have the same grill be used for 20 years so I can cheaply get a replacement from the junkyard if I need one. I’m so frustrated by the commercial options, I’m building a light duty 80’s C10 for my daily. Easy to work on, easy to fix, parts are cheap.
Sounds like a positive move because of your individual choice as an end user. Now you’re not locked to the apple ecosystem.
oh, I was never locked in the apple ecosystem. I genuinely liked the OS for a very long time, but avoided owning music on iTunes, using their office suite or owning any iOS device. I was already using linux full time on an ebay Macbook Pro while my desktop was a hackintosh. Dropping support for 32bit apps was the final straw.
if apple managed to create a custom audio transfer standard that supports significantly longer buffering (minutes to hours perhaps) I could see this gimmick being useful, I doubt they would though
Apple patents all sorts of weird shit. 99% of it never gets made. They just want the money from patent litigation and licensing.
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The rendering is, but the patent isn’t.
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Yeah, people always mock up these Apple patents. It’s practically guaranteed to happen when Apple files anything interesting or weird. Someone will model what they think the final product looks like.
There’s already an earphone with a display on the case like jbl, Tru wireless…Now if there was storage for music on them that would be nice.
I just see another device to run Doom
But will it be better than pregnancy test doom or the doom-like game entirely embedded in a QR code ?
I mean the latter is just minified JavaScript, compressed and base64 encoded. The hardware is the browser, which is cheating IMO
The former is also kinda cheating because Doom was actually running on an external controller just using the display on the pregnancy test to display the game.
You can on Apple’s lightning to HDMI adapter:
https://hackaday.com/2025/02/06/running-doom-on-an-apple-lightning-to-hdmi-adapter/
can they even patent that? its already a thing that made it to production on at least one brand that sells in north america and another two or more in china
I think JBL did it and they’re a well established brand
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To an extent it is. Apple is or has started the patent for this. The image is just rendered for a visual representation of what they are doing, and for us to see they are reinventing old tech.
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No worries! I figured you did, but I wanted to add extra context for anyone as slow as me lmao!
It maaaaakkkeees sense, but i’ll never go back to ios anything lol! I gave it a try for a few years, even went SUPER deep into the ecosystem. Leaving was a pain, but im glad I did.
can they even patent that?
What “that”? They can patent a specific technical solution that is unique to their product, not the idea per se.
I was gonna say, pretty sure I’ve seen something like this on Amazon already, except from some weird Chinese company.
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They can’t fix their music app on the iphone. With every version this crap runs worse.
Awesome, can’t wait to hear my music softly from inside the box and be able to skip to the next song.
