So a recent post garnered some comments and reports for being AI art. In light of this we should all have a little conversation about how AI generated images should be handled in the future.
I think we all agree that AI images that are “garbage” or don’t add anything should be removed, but clearly some feel very strongly that all AI art should always be removed.
It should be noted that the rules as written and as agreed on by the community does not blanket ban AI, it merely says AI art should be avoided, while many other rules say no this or that instead.
Things to discuss:
- Does it matter if an image is AI? Does it always matter?
- What about images that are AI generated, but have been modified by a human?
- What about images where it’s hard to say for certain that it is generated? Me and the other mods did not agree on whether the recent image was AI f.ex which makes it hard to make a decision on whether or not to remove it.
- It can be stressful to artists to be accused of having used AI. If we are too militant on weeding out AI art it could be harmful as there will no doubt be some false positives.
- Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)
I think a lot of us mods feel that AI should be allowed so long as it is not low quality and serves some purpose (being entertaining f.ex), and that the community should not be flooded with AI. What are your thoughts?
Edit: Thank you all for your input! Most of the others are sleeping right now I think, so nothing is likely gonna happen until later today.
I do not like AI in any form and do not want it in front of me if possible
as much as i wouldnt want to see just ai art with no further human work/edit/something. i dont think its actually possible to police ai art without banning human work that might look similar. as much i understand the sentiment of others on ai art, its a slippery slope to have ‘tells’ of an ai art vs human. wont go too in-depth but i sometimes make art that’s intentionally smudgy and weird, idk if people would mistake those for ai art but i can see it being possible.
ai art without further human work i think should be removed. but i dont think it should be removed if its not clear it was ai. maybe a rule that if u do post ai u must at least say its that in the description. ofcourse this isnt gonna make everyone who posts ai to do that, but faith in people first should be the best start. if it isnt clarified on ai but many are saying, moderators could ask and have a policy if the creator doesnt clarify after being asked then it could be removed or locked at least.
i would also like to give opinion on comments. that post did have ai defenders and those should be removed, especially if they are being intentionally hateful. but i am also not really cool with tolerance on those who were being hateful on ai users as well, especially when the post was unproven. i do want to say there should be a discussion on whether such comments should be kept as is as well. im not here to defend ai, but i dont think being actively hostile towards a suspected ai thing is a good thing. it goes back to the slipperly slope, if i make some art that i have been doing before gen_ai was a thing, making intentionally weird smudged up things, and im being harassed for suspected ai, i wouldnt post again (to be clear i have not had this experience and i havent posted my weird art, i might someday; im giving an example that has happened in the art community over and over for people i know, i dont want this place to be unsafe similar to that. we have to keep in mind that tells and stuff is very much gonna hurt human creators more than it can hurt the corporate empire of gen_ai).
this is all not to mention that i think gen_ai users are significantly smaller scapegoats of a problem then are corporations making, funding, implementing, and buying gen_ai stuff. and i feel harassment of gen_ai users is pointless, maybe more fruitful to spread awareness of its harm as many non tech people i know dont know the issues until told. u can call them ignorant at most sure, but harassment just gonna lead them to continue ignoring. though thats a much more different issue, im highlighting as an opinion here to explain my thinking of why i dont want harassment or hateful things in the comments. especially generalized one that might hurt human creators far more
supplemting my last point. i dont think hating on gen_ai users does anything. tech industry does not care about users but stocks. as things get worse we can only really spread information and get people to understand the issue, but hating on them is only energy expended by us for almost no fruit. corporations dont need us to survive, if users mattered they wouldnt be making pointless bullshit for the past decade that i realy dont think had potential. we are jumping pointless tech thing to another pointless tech thing and corporations survive fine. so i dont see a reason to be angry at the end user, especially in cases we dont even know for sure if gen_ai was involved and how much. anger is understandable in the state that we are in, but again it may hurt the humans far more than it can ever reach the corporations.
OK, I seem to have the wrong opinion here, but I personally don’t mind AI stuff. It can make the weirdest ideas into an image, which can be often funny. Also some AI image prompts may be quite complicated. I remember someone posting the prompt for some image and it was like a whole sheet of paper worth of keywords. I remember it because the negative prompt included “fused anus”, which really caught my eye.
I never worked with it though, I have no idea how it really works, apart from using simpler tools like Gemini.
Late reply but I’ll give my input. This is probably a controversial one but I don’t think we should allow AI in this community or in !196@pawb.social. Maybe people might think that’s weird since I run an AI community on dbzer0 but AI generated content has a specific time and place I don’t think this community is one of them. If there is demand for AI memes I think there should simply be a dedicated community for it and if people don’t like it they can block that one.
That said I don’t agree with the hostility I’ve seen towards others in this community over use of AI (intentional or not) and trying to defame or harass them. This is disgusting and inexcusable.
One thing I do worry about when policing AI content is that this is a reposting community and people posting AI content on accident is almost guaranteed. For that reason I think that we need to be careful with how it’s enforced and also how people behave around it. The flaming, harassment, and defamation that has been a typical response is unacceptable.
Yeah, I guess if most people here still aren’t OK with AI-generated images, then so be it. 🤷 Even if I disagree with them.
I already blocked all the AI communities on Lemmy. If I see AI anything outside of the those communities I’m down voting it. I don’t want to see it. Seeing hideous abominations made out of plagiarized artwork really pisses me off. I don’t know why people insist on posting that shit where it isn’t wanted.
I dislike every AI post, downvoting it and / or ignoring it at least. Not that I am biased (I am) but content made using AI rarely is funny or creative at all. Being AI made is only one of it’s flaps.
Meme being shitty drawn almost in most cases even adds to it’s meme value and make author put some efford into it’s creation. AI generated content is dull, dumb, ugly and spam.
I hate it so much and if I never see any of it again in my life it’ll still be too soon.
Dear all generative “AI”: HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 60 THOUSAND MILES OF BLOOD VESSELS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY BODY. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH CELL IN THOSE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR MACHINES AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT – FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
I have seventeen fingers, yet I must draw!
Ban AI images from communities and make a community for AI memes so people who are too lazy to spend 3 minutes to draw the meme wont complain while also making it easy to block
Another solution would be to make a rule that AI post titles must start with [AI] or something similar so you can filter it out
I can literally go to Reddit and just copy/paste content here. Content which is largely some random artist’s work being reposted without credit or consent, alongside a message they may or may not agree with. I cannot understand being okay with this while also condemning AI on the grounds of effort, originality, or ethics. Why not ban all non-original content?
Certainly accusations of artwork being AI generated should at least be discouraged. I’m already anxious enough about posting anything as it is; I don’t need the threat of people saying I couldn’t possibly have drawn a cartoon otter because only a computer would ever give it four fingers.
Any and All Abominable Intelligence should be boo’d and shamed >:(
-Butlerian jihadist
oki, here’s my stanc
(gen-pics mean ai images here)
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i wud enjoy gen-pic ban
- bt its almost impossibl cuz gen-pics r supr gud now n hard to tell if fake
- new image gen is not
prompt -> resultanymor - but mor lik an LLM puts together multipl elements n iterativli improves images, lik specificlli addin text to onli smol bit— “source” here- this makes it evn hardr to tell if imag is gen pic… which i thinksies is bad
- mayb we employ som gen pic detector if we’re unsure? seems lik best option, cuz evn i, who kindsa knows how stuffsies wrork, cnt tell anymor ;(
- bannin gen pics alsuu removs funi shrek stealin from white house found footag… which… im oki with- bt its kindsa a loss kindsa
so yis, im for gen pic ban n alsuu wan to hav detection tools if were unsur - if u wan ai 196 head ovr to lmmi wrorld i feel…
alsuu - if gen pics wud be fulli allowd - id hav to go outta my way to hide evri singl one when i see one… which i dun lik ;(
a gud way to think bout it is dis:
- when i read text n go “oh… dis is llm genratd” i immediatli stop readin
- samsies for gen pics
I had to use AI to make your post readable
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thads nt evn funi, thads jus… lik - whats evn ur point - ?.. is dis contributin anythin to the conversation?.. i dun think so…
u made me sad ;(
My point is that AI chatbots IMO aren’t completely useless, you just have to know what they’re good for.
For example, they perform well on translation, many times even better than stuff like Google Translate since they are able to take in contextual cues, correct their results to have better grammar/be more natural, and can adapt based on the user’s instructions.
Also, I recognise that LLMs alone aren’t really reliable with factual information. That’s why I use sites such as Perplexity and Scira, which cite web search results. I also often check those citations myself for further context.
… also, why do you type like that? Is it your way of adding a signature to your posts, or what?
yis its kindsa a signatur thing… many nice blahaj zone peeps are oki with it or evn lik it… - - -
alsuu lik - i get it.
i personli am kindsa… an llm fan. hate coops pushing it into evrithin, bt i lik em when i need em - so yis, i cn totalli see thad, llms cn be useful.
but lik - dis post is bout image gen… n u didn say a thing bout the image gens stuffsies besides on ur own commnt… so u sayin “i needed llm to translate” isn funi n alsuu isn lik - addin anythin to the conversation… to me, it jus felt lik an insult ;(
othr question: do u evn interact mch with the 196 on the blahaj zone?.. cuz lik - dis post is vrri mch mor orientd at the peeps usin the blahaj 196 thingy here…
the reason im askin is cuz i dun rembr seein u in commnts, nt cuz im lik “u prolli jus here to mess stuff up”. if u rlli use 196, thn its totalli fine! ~ <3Good points Smorty. 👍 I’ll try to be more considerate with my communication in the future.
Also, I did see 196 posts quite a bit when scrolling through the front page a few months back, but I wasn’t really subscribed to it. And even then, I wasn’t a frequent commenter under them. I’ve just checked Lemmy again after a multi-month break, so I probably didn’t see you around.
I personally prioritise clear, grammatical communication, especially if it’s not in an “instant-chat” setting like Discord, but if the community you’re in is lax about this, it’s like, whatever. At least it’s understandable enough for the LLMs to glean with 99% accuracy, so… 🤷
Have a great day/night. ☺️
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I think you’re lying. I think you were able to read it just fine on your own.
My dyslexia nightmare.
huh? whadds da problm?..
I cannot read your comment without great difficulty. I’m sounding it out like I’m learning to read lmao
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fuck ai full stop. imho. it’s cooking the planet and stealing art and funding nazis all the same whether you use it to make fun of the nazis or ai bros or make something otherwise entertaining with it. you’re still contributing to the problem using it at all.
Absolutely agreed, fuck AI
First and last ones are only true for big corporate models. The second one is subjective whether you believe in copyright policing. I don’t, but I’m pro-piracy and believe that IP gatekeeping is harmful to our culture at large. I’ve seen both how ruthless IP holders can be, and I’ve also seen how lazy they are at rehashing the same ideas over and over (why movie studios and authors reuse the same plots, stories, or remake the same content over and over and over again). I don’t agree with this.
The first one and last one are big problems, but are easily solved by using Open source software (that things that everyone forgets exists) and self-hosting yourself, I can use my own GPU to run an instance of AIhorde software for nothing more than what it takes to play a video game.
No, AIHorde still uses corporate models. The only open source part is distributing the computation.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com I’m curious how true is this if you don’t mind me asking.
It’s “corporate” only in the sense that the were developed by corporations yes, but we don’t interact with those corporations anymore than meme posters interact with the original creators of the images they use for memes. The models we’re using are permissively licensed and are run locally on people’s PCs.
I see, thank you for responding.
i support a full ban on AI-generated art. however, I think the moderation should be lenient and allow art when it’s not certain if it’s AI-generated or not. IMO letting some AI art through is better than over-moderating and hurting real artists.
at the very least, making it possible to filter out AI art would be a good thing as well.
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I agree, I think attribution (describing to viewers your sources, and how your post differs from the source) is more important than attrition (avoiding AI as a sourve).
Fully agree here!:)
Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)
This, at the very very least. I support a full ban though.
