And Im not saying they cannot be. Im saying I don’t want any opposition to be run by folks who are so undereducated that they think there is something wrong with America attacking a group of people who have “Death to America” in their slogan and are attacking innocent sailors in commercial shipping lanes.
These people have been having American and British bombs dropped on then for 10 years by now, via the planes of America and Britain’s ally, Saudi Arabia.
WTF do you expect from them other than hatred for America?!
Do you expect some kind of thankfulness for the whole “I might be randomly killed tomorrow when the bus I’m traveling in gets hit by an American bomb”? Because that would be like expecting Americans to be thankful to Al-Queda after 9/11 (only worse so because far more civilians have been killed in Yemen with American bombs by America’s ally than in 9/11) rather than hate the hell out of the fuckers that killing innocent people.
America’s actions in Yemen have basically been the equivalent of helping Nazi Germany bomb the shit out of France and the Résistance Française and then shifting to directly bombing the Résistance themselves with little care for collateral damage by using “they hate us” as an excuse.
It’s like the whole Iran situation:
American Politicians: “They hate us for our freedoms”
Iranians: *Hate America because after Iranians rebelled against and overthrew a bloody dictator - the Shah - Americans overthrew Iran’s first Democratic government and reinstated the Shah, who only came down after a bloody Revolution were the meanest and most extreme types of all - the ultra-religious - overthrew him again.*
And ditto for Palestine which is very much a similar situation but even worse.
I mean, you gotta be quite the tribalist muppet or extremely insular (or, more commonly, both) to keep on believing the same decades old style of excuse from American Politicians for killing people in far away lands which itself justifies giving tons of taxpayer money to military suppliers for weapons and ammo (the real objective) instead of putting it in Healthcare or Education, because there is no way you can’t put 2 and 2 together otherwise.
When and how exactly have the Houtis bombed American soil?
In the post you’re replying to I literally made the point that these people being angry at America is the same as Americans being angry at Al-Queda for 9/11, so I literally treated as equally understandable that both people are angry at those who bombed them, which is the very opposite of what you claim I meant.
So you’re replying to whatever fantasy is going on in your mind rather than my post (which said the exact opposite of the fantasy you spun claiming that was my take), which means all those comments of yours about “lack of self awareness”, “holding a stupid double standard” and “that being a racism premise” apply to the only source of that imaginary “argument” you were criticizing, You.
So it’s okay to try and kill Americans so long as they aren’t in America?
You are still arguing that we shouldn’t be bombing them, despite the fact they’re bombing us and arguing that their bombing us is understandable because we’re bombing them, even though we’re only bombing them because they’re bombing us.
When and how exactly have the Houthis bombed American soil?
(You seemed to have forgotten to answer the very first line of my post during this goalpost moving maneuver of yours)
Further, when exactly did he Houthis “try and kill Americans” way back over a decade ago to cause America to start providing Saudi Arabia with bombs to bomb them with and keep doing so for a whole decade in the full knowledge of how they were being used?
You seem to be holding the “racist premise” that when America unilaterally acts in ways that kill non-Americans, those non-Americans aren’t entitled to fight back against America and its interests, which is literally you “holding a stupid double standard” and displaying “lack of self-awareness”.
Why isn’t the US doing anything to stop the genocide in Gaza? “Death to America” is nothing compared to enabling a genocide which both the current and past administrations are guilty of. Enforcing a naval blockade on Israel is hardly criminal when Israel is intentionally starving and slaughtering Palestinians.
But even if the Houthis are as bad as you claim, even worse than the US or Israel, how does that justify targeting hospitals and civilians?
You didn’t respond to the part about targeting hospitals and civilians. The moral conclusion here is the same as with Israel’s targeting of civilians in their so-called “war against Hamas.” Hamas and the Houthis are terrorist organizations that grew out of victimhood and justify hatred against their oppressors in the name of resistance. They are victims, but because they aren’t perfectly moral in their resistance you condemn their entire people to indiscriminate bombing. The saddest thing about this is that it won’t eliminate the terrorist groups, only bolster their support and make them more resentful.
And the largest terrorist organization - the US military - will continue its campaign of terror, creating ever more.
The Houthi are the reason why the civil war in Yemen started. They are not victims they are the perpetrator of crimes against everyone else in Yemen. They are the victimizers and you seem to not have any understanding of this. Have you never looked into the Yemeni Civil War and why it is called such?
Hamas and The Houthi are entirely unrelated groups with entirely different goals. You should not conflate them. The Houthi will sell ypu arms, likely will not sell you drugs or kids. Hamas will sell you arms, drugs and kids because they utilize a vast criminal network to finance their war while the Houthi get funds from Iran.
That’s because all of that is immaterial to my point which is that any opposition party in the USA should not be lead by people who think the Houthi Militia are worth supporting.
The Houthi have no moral high ground in a war they started just like America could have no high ground in the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
That’s because all of that is immaterial to my point which is that any opposition party in the USA should not be lead by people who think the Houthi Militia are worth supporting.
That’s a very convenient principle to have when opposing the indiscriminate bombing of civilians is conflated with support for terrorism. Just because I don’t think we should be bombing them doesn’t mean I support the Houthis, and I don’t have to align myself with them to acknowledge that they are right to enact an economic blockade against Israel to pressure them to stop their genocide.
Again my point was that I would want any opposition party in the USA to have enough awareness of global politics to know The Houthi Militia will not get US support
The Houthi are not making a blockade. They are murdering sailors on boats and claiming solidarity with Palestine.
Again my point was that I would want any opposition party in the USA to have enough awareness of global politics to know The Houthi Militia will not get US support
And again, there’s a whole lot of room between giving the Houthis US support and bombing every civilian who happens to be in close proximity to them.
The Houthi are not making a blockade. They are murdering sailors on boats and claiming solidarity with Palestine.
Which is worse, violently resisting a genocide or enacting one? I don’t think the Houthis should be murdering sailors, but even though they are overzealous in this instance they still clearly have the moral high ground, not because they are particularly moral but because the bar has been set so low.
And Im not saying they cannot be. Im saying I don’t want any opposition to be run by folks who are so undereducated that they think there is something wrong with America attacking a group of people who have “Death to America” in their slogan and are attacking innocent sailors in commercial shipping lanes.
These people have been having American and British bombs dropped on then for 10 years by now, via the planes of America and Britain’s ally, Saudi Arabia.
WTF do you expect from them other than hatred for America?!
Do you expect some kind of thankfulness for the whole “I might be randomly killed tomorrow when the bus I’m traveling in gets hit by an American bomb”? Because that would be like expecting Americans to be thankful to Al-Queda after 9/11 (only worse so because far more civilians have been killed in Yemen with American bombs by America’s ally than in 9/11) rather than hate the hell out of the fuckers that killing innocent people.
America’s actions in Yemen have basically been the equivalent of helping Nazi Germany bomb the shit out of France and the Résistance Française and then shifting to directly bombing the Résistance themselves with little care for collateral damage by using “they hate us” as an excuse.
It’s like the whole Iran situation:
And ditto for Palestine which is very much a similar situation but even worse.
I mean, you gotta be quite the tribalist muppet or extremely insular (or, more commonly, both) to keep on believing the same decades old style of excuse from American Politicians for killing people in far away lands which itself justifies giving tons of taxpayer money to military suppliers for weapons and ammo (the real objective) instead of putting it in Healthcare or Education, because there is no way you can’t put 2 and 2 together otherwise.
They had the slogan before the war.
The Houthi are 100% without question the reason why there is a civil war in Yemen. They started the war.
They aren’t doing this for solidarity abd even Iran has told them to fucking stop
Whenever I see this argument, I am stunned by the lack of self awareness.
We bomb them, so it’s natural that they want to bomb us.
They bomb us and we need to accept it and self-flagellate over past wrongs.
You hold a double standard and a stupid one at that, considering how much more we can do to them than they can do to us.
The premise is, frankly, racist. You treat the Arabs as if they’re too stupid to think in the long term, to look beyond short term retaliation.
When and how exactly have the Houtis bombed American soil?
In the post you’re replying to I literally made the point that these people being angry at America is the same as Americans being angry at Al-Queda for 9/11, so I literally treated as equally understandable that both people are angry at those who bombed them, which is the very opposite of what you claim I meant.
So you’re replying to whatever fantasy is going on in your mind rather than my post (which said the exact opposite of the fantasy you spun claiming that was my take), which means all those comments of yours about “lack of self awareness”, “holding a stupid double standard” and “that being a racism premise” apply to the only source of that imaginary “argument” you were criticizing, You.
So it’s okay to try and kill Americans so long as they aren’t in America?
You are still arguing that we shouldn’t be bombing them, despite the fact they’re bombing us and arguing that their bombing us is understandable because we’re bombing them, even though we’re only bombing them because they’re bombing us.
When and how exactly have the Houthis bombed American soil?
(You seemed to have forgotten to answer the very first line of my post during this goalpost moving maneuver of yours)
Further, when exactly did he Houthis “try and kill Americans” way back over a decade ago to cause America to start providing Saudi Arabia with bombs to bomb them with and keep doing so for a whole decade in the full knowledge of how they were being used?
You seem to be holding the “racist premise” that when America unilaterally acts in ways that kill non-Americans, those non-Americans aren’t entitled to fight back against America and its interests, which is literally you “holding a stupid double standard” and displaying “lack of self-awareness”.
Why isn’t the US doing anything to stop the genocide in Gaza? “Death to America” is nothing compared to enabling a genocide which both the current and past administrations are guilty of. Enforcing a naval blockade on Israel is hardly criminal when Israel is intentionally starving and slaughtering Palestinians.
But even if the Houthis are as bad as you claim, even worse than the US or Israel, how does that justify targeting hospitals and civilians?
That’s not America’s job and it isn’t as if the Houthi are doing anything other than lipservice.
it’s a great reason for the USA to not see them as an ally. Did you really need that explained to you?
You didn’t respond to the part about targeting hospitals and civilians. The moral conclusion here is the same as with Israel’s targeting of civilians in their so-called “war against Hamas.” Hamas and the Houthis are terrorist organizations that grew out of victimhood and justify hatred against their oppressors in the name of resistance. They are victims, but because they aren’t perfectly moral in their resistance you condemn their entire people to indiscriminate bombing. The saddest thing about this is that it won’t eliminate the terrorist groups, only bolster their support and make them more resentful.
And the largest terrorist organization - the US military - will continue its campaign of terror, creating ever more.
The Houthi are the reason why the civil war in Yemen started. They are not victims they are the perpetrator of crimes against everyone else in Yemen. They are the victimizers and you seem to not have any understanding of this. Have you never looked into the Yemeni Civil War and why it is called such?
Hamas and The Houthi are entirely unrelated groups with entirely different goals. You should not conflate them. The Houthi will sell ypu arms, likely will not sell you drugs or kids. Hamas will sell you arms, drugs and kids because they utilize a vast criminal network to finance their war while the Houthi get funds from Iran.
That’s because all of that is immaterial to my point which is that any opposition party in the USA should not be lead by people who think the Houthi Militia are worth supporting.
The Houthi have no moral high ground in a war they started just like America could have no high ground in the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
That’s a very convenient principle to have when opposing the indiscriminate bombing of civilians is conflated with support for terrorism. Just because I don’t think we should be bombing them doesn’t mean I support the Houthis, and I don’t have to align myself with them to acknowledge that they are right to enact an economic blockade against Israel to pressure them to stop their genocide.
Again my point was that I would want any opposition party in the USA to have enough awareness of global politics to know The Houthi Militia will not get US support
The Houthi are not making a blockade. They are murdering sailors on boats and claiming solidarity with Palestine.
And again, there’s a whole lot of room between giving the Houthis US support and bombing every civilian who happens to be in close proximity to them.
Which is worse, violently resisting a genocide or enacting one? I don’t think the Houthis should be murdering sailors, but even though they are overzealous in this instance they still clearly have the moral high ground, not because they are particularly moral but because the bar has been set so low.
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I am in agreement with you, my sentiments were directed to the original poster.