COLLINS: Can President Bukele weigh in on this? Do you plan to return Garcia?
BUKELE: How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it. The question is preposterous
TRUMP: These are sick people
idk what to even say to this, and here I thought the bush jr. years were bad with slapping the “terrorist” label on anything that moves. Please, please, please be careful with whatever you say online anymore because this shit could very easily escalate to black-bagging anyone for saying anything.
and anyone with a shred of common sense and a concept of morality could tell you that this would be the inevitable result. it was plain as fuckin day and bringing it up just got you called an alarmist and an ideological purity tester
You really want to feel the paranoia juice? Look up how much of USAPATRIOT was written down and ready to go before 9/11 even happened. I’m not a “9/11 was an inside job” person, for what it’s worth.
But I am very much a “they were planning this kind of police state bullshit for a long time” guy. Which feels a bit silly having “won” the Cold War a decade before, ending history etc etc. So… what event were they really planning all the crackdown for? (My money’s on the climate)
I’m not sure about that last part. While it may prove useful in the event of a climate collapse scenario I have doubts as to its purpose being so forward-thinking. The USA is white supremacist, built on slavery, the perpetrator of genocides and born from imperialism. Such a state turning its tools inwards is probably just the natural progression of things.
Yeah it was probably inevitable but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t a plan
The real smoking guns are the convictions for financial crimes including insider trading around 9/11 because how in the hell was there any insider trading if no one knew about it but unfortunately 99% of boomers obsessed with this shit are stuck on “muh steel beans couldn’t be melted by fet jule”
I think it would be mistake to think that these things weren’t being planned for or that the highest levels of Western governments aren’t climate collapse aware, even if the public-facing rhetoric is all about climate change being a hoax or whatever bullshit is being spun to make sure the average American isn’t (rightfully) extremely alarmed at the situation. The highest echelons of the Western militaries have been planning for climate collapse scenarios for decades. Although it’s definitely correct to say that even without a collapsing biosphere that these tools of imperial control would have eventually turned inward anyway.
9/11 doesn’t have to be an inside job. It was an inevitability which they were all aware. The whole “we won” and “end of history” narrative was obviously not true and just meant to attempt to pacify people, they knew they were still conducting global imperialism and that eventually some group(s) would try and strike back
The American Civil Liberties Union alleges that extraordinary rendition was developed during the Clinton administration. CIA officials in the mid-1990s were trying to track down and dismantle militant Islamic organizations in the Middle East, particularly Al Qaeda.[15]
According to Clinton administration official Richard Clarke:
‘extraordinary renditions’, were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government … The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: ‘Lloyd says this. Dick says that.’ Gore laughed and said, ‘That’s a no-brainer. Of course it’s a violation of international law, that’s why it’s a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.’
Both the Bush and Clinton cases involved apprehending known terrorists abroad, by covert means if necessary. The Bush administration expanded the policy after the 9/11 attacks.
just be careful is all i would advise. don’t make careless death threats, don’t openly discuss blatantly illegal plans, use a VPN, use encrypted messaging (not signal) if you are involved in something slightly more serious and probably don’t put anything in digital writing if you’re actually hardcore (but these people hopefully already know that)
idk what to even say to this, and here I thought the bush jr. years were bad with slapping the “terrorist” label on anything that moves. Please, please, please be careful with whatever you say online anymore because this shit could very easily escalate to black-bagging anyone for saying anything.
they were bad, this would not be happening now if not for the war on terror and its liberal complicity
Seeing everything come to pass from my cursed visions of the future I had as a teenager during the bush years is driving me mad
haha yeah
:cassandra:
We need :foresight:
And :warned-you:
How about Ricky from trailer park boys saying Atoadaso!
Well said
and anyone with a shred of common sense and a concept of morality could tell you that this would be the inevitable result. it was plain as fuckin day and bringing it up just got you called an alarmist and an ideological purity tester
I hope chuck schumer dies in CECOT
Thinking back 20 years to all the good liberals who called it when the patriot act was signed into law
You really want to feel the paranoia juice? Look up how much of USAPATRIOT was written down and ready to go before 9/11 even happened. I’m not a “9/11 was an inside job” person, for what it’s worth.
But I am very much a “they were planning this kind of police state bullshit for a long time” guy. Which feels a bit silly having “won” the Cold War a decade before, ending history etc etc. So… what event were they really planning all the crackdown for? (My money’s on the climate)
I’m not sure about that last part. While it may prove useful in the event of a climate collapse scenario I have doubts as to its purpose being so forward-thinking. The USA is white supremacist, built on slavery, the perpetrator of genocides and born from imperialism. Such a state turning its tools inwards is probably just the natural progression of things.
Yeah it was probably inevitable but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t a plan
The real smoking guns are the convictions for financial crimes including insider trading around 9/11 because how in the hell was there any insider trading if no one knew about it but unfortunately 99% of boomers obsessed with this shit are stuck on “muh steel beans couldn’t be melted by fet jule”
I think it would be mistake to think that these things weren’t being planned for or that the highest levels of Western governments aren’t climate collapse aware, even if the public-facing rhetoric is all about climate change being a hoax or whatever bullshit is being spun to make sure the average American isn’t (rightfully) extremely alarmed at the situation. The highest echelons of the Western militaries have been planning for climate collapse scenarios for decades. Although it’s definitely correct to say that even without a collapsing biosphere that these tools of imperial control would have eventually turned inward anyway.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
9/11 doesn’t have to be an inside job. It was an inevitability which they were all aware. The whole “we won” and “end of history” narrative was obviously not true and just meant to attempt to pacify people, they knew they were still conducting global imperialism and that eventually some group(s) would try and strike back
All roads lead to imperialism/further extraction of the natural world
Self-Limiting sounds like a dangeros idea. Paraphrasing Tum Snyder: don’t concede early
just be careful is all i would advise. don’t make careless death threats, don’t openly discuss blatantly illegal plans, use a VPN, use encrypted messaging (not signal) if you are involved in something slightly more serious and probably don’t put anything in digital writing if you’re actually hardcore (but these people hopefully already know that)
I agree with you.