The family of Noa Argamani is sharing harrowing footage of her abduction in southern Israel earlier today.

The video shows her being taken away on the back of a motorcycle by Hamas terrorists as she screams “don’t kill me” and stretches her arms out to her boyfriend, Avi Natan, who is also being held by Hamas operatives. They were both attending a festival in the south.

Other footage shows Argamani being held in Gaza sipping from a cup of water.

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      Edit: Shani Louk is allegedly alive in a Gaza Hospital.

      They even killed them - and paraded a dead woman’s naked body around

      https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/woman-paraded-hamas-fighters-victims-family-urge-people-for-her-whereabouts-2446055-2023-10-08

      The murdering of foreign civilians exposes the Hamas claims of only targeting „occupiers“ as a lie. They went on a murdering spree.

      I agree with you, this will cost them a lot of international support.

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        Thing is, I don’t think it will cost them support from anyone who’s still actually supporting them. These terrorists operate with the stated goal of provoking a war between islam and the entire western world and forcing moderate Muslims in western or westernized states to choose a side.

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        Wait did you think Hamas didn’t consider the Israelis as the “occupiers”?? Then who?

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          Never ever thought I would end up defending Israel like that, but to your question:

          Hamas constantly claims that they do not target Israeli civilians, which is, by now, evidently a lie.

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            Wut? Source?

            Hamas decided Israeli civilians were fair game in the mid 90’s after a jewish extremist shot up a mosque

            If you just woke up from a 30 year coma please read up before defending any side here

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        They never say she was dead. Am I missing something?

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          Being dead is already implied when they say „the body of a woman“. If you are talking about a living woman, you refer to them as „a woman“.

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              That wouldn’t be a body. A body is a corpse.

              They would just say an unconscious woman if she were still alive.

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                Fair enough. I assumed her state was unknown, but I didn’t watch the video. So I was, in fact, missing something.

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      They didn’t know she was German, but yea that quickly wrapped up a lot of support I had for Palestine

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            The start of the issue was when Europeans wanted Jewish people out of Europe after WW2 so they stole a shit ton of land that’s important to three different religions from the Palestinians and called it Israel…

            Then Israel expanding over the decades obviously didn’t help

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              The start of the issue was when Europeans wanted Jewish people out of Europe after WW2 so they stole a shit ton of land that’s important to three different religions from the Palestinians and called it Israel…

              That’s not what happened. There was a strong desire for a Jewish state in Palestine for hundreds of years, in the beginning of the 20th century this was accelerated through the British mandate and immigration. The real story is way more complex and your representation of it is not only wrong but also negates the agency the Jewish population living there for centuries had in creating the Jewish state.

              Of course the horrors of the Holocaust had part in the decision but it was not because “Europeans wanted Jews out”

              Like I said the real history is waaaaay more complex, I suggest you read up on it - the History of the British mandate is a got starting point.

              Edit: link didn’t post for some reason - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

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                There was a strong desire for a Jewish state in Palestine

                Unfortunately a population had been living there for thousands of years…

                And they weren’t stoked at being forced out at gunpoint 70 years ago.

                If that was too long ago that they don’t have a claim, why was a much older one good enough to found Israel?

                Hell, the Jewish texts said they moved there after Egypt, why weren’t they given Egypt? Why pick a random place some of their ancestors may have moved to that already had people living there at the time?

                The formation of Israel and Pakistan was just a bunch of Europeans deciding religious segregation would be a good thing. It obviously wasn’t and there’s no reason to keep trying it. Religious ethnostates are not a good plan.

                And as long as they exist (especially when one gets a mutual holy land) these wars will keep happening

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                  Do you think the creation of Israel and Pakistan were decided by ‘a bunch of Europeans’ without any input from the jewish, muslims or hindus? I guess you need to read up some history first if you want to discuss these issues

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            In the context of his post, the hrw link is just whataboutism -> „but what about Israel“- and you can fuck right off with that

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            They both do it. Israel a lot more so than Palestine even. It’s hard to feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for the girl obviously. But also for the countless nameless Palestinians who suffered the same but never made the news.

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      It’s weird how everyone is taking Israeli media’s word on all this…

      The only other country’s media I’ve seen backing up these claims is India, and they’re one of the absolute bottom countries for press reliability and freedoms. Their “journalists” get thrown in jail (at best) if modi doesn’t like what they write.

      Plus there was that whole thing last year where Israel killed a journalist, blamed Palestinians, and then attacked the journalists funeral…

      https://theintercept.com/2022/05/13/israeli-police-attack-funeral-journalist-israels-army-admits-might-killed/

      Like maybe, just maybe, we should be waiting a second before believing everything that’s being claimed in the first 24 hours of a war…

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        What the fuck? There are more than enough terrible videos out to here. Both sides say this is happening. Why would anyone think otherwise?

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          In general, yes, it’s a war and terrible shit happens.

          But in a war every side is going to use propaganda.

          Look at “the ghost of Kiev” obviously Ukraine are the good guys there, but that doesn’t mean blindly believe everything they say.

          When one side starts making very specific claims with no proof, and the only countries media backing it up is one of the absolute worst countries for media reliability…

          Maybe wait a day or two for facts to come out before believing every specific story.

          And can you knock it off with jumping straight to personal insults?