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Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

“We wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d have won the election — and we didn’t,” Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the “worst possible business executive” and praised the Wall Street Journal’s editorial criticizing Trump’s tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump’s false claims about immigrants.

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    I disagree Mr. Walz. Had Biden not sat on his hands after being given the power of god by the supreme court - we wouldn’t be in this mess today.

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    This headline is trash. He’s saying we wouldn’t be in this mess if they’d won. The headline makes it sound like he’s taking much more blame than his actual quote implies.

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    I think this is a half assed acceptance of responsibility. Firstly i don’t believe our democracy even functions anymore. Our entire political system has been compromised by money, bribes, campaign contributions from billionaires. Both the dems and republicans are both fascist parties. The Democratic party any where else in the world by the standards of the rest of the developed world is a center right wing party we have no true left opposition party in the usa. The democrats are clearly a controlled opposition party who’s primary goal is to appease their wall street military and prison industry profiteer donors and prevent any policy shift to the left in order to thwart economic democracy and continue the class dictatorship that is modern neo liberal western “democracy” which is inherently undemocratic.

    There are 14 defining traits of fascism and 13 of them are present in both partied albeit to differing degrees. But the one trait that both parties work to maintain s plausible deniability as to its existence is fraudulent elections. But to think that even though money has corrupted every other aspect of our political system that for some reason maybe the ideals of American exceptionalism and the integrity of democracy itself, that one aspect of fascism is a bridge tok far to cross and those with extreme wealth and greed who lack all humanity and show no self Restraint on any given day would at least control themselves there for the good of mankind? If you truly believe that i have a bridge to sell you.

    In germany the highest constitutional court decided in the last 10-15 years or so(i don’t remember when exactly) that electronic voting is unconstitutional because it is impossible to differentiate between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for anyone who isn’t a cuber security or IT expert and its important that laymen(or lay people) can understand the results of an election and see the proof for themselves. And even if we put all this aside in 2016 we saw the Iowa caucus (a democratic process void of electronic obfuscation)deliberately manipulated for clinton despite sanders supporters outnumbering clinton supporters 2 to 1 and i remember seeing a video back then(i wish i had saved it) of election workers doing a test on a vote counting/tabulation machine to verify results and the machine completely skewed the inputed data which distressed all the workers participating to the point where 3 people were in tears.

    This isnt a “trump was right” statement because those who are nominated by the party are most likely complicit and know who will be chosen and even if they do not know till the media puts out the results and manufactures the consent of the people they still very likely know the reality. And Trump definitely knew in 2016 and had no problem the election was rigged then because it benefited him which means he doesn’t care that the election is rigged so long as he benefits and gains power from it.

    But regardless of what i believe it is the reality that every thing about our society is rigged by the ultra wealthy. And it is naive to believe that they would allow the workers the ability to choose who governs them when they regularly make it clear what they think of us. That we are a disposable commodity who’s existence is only a means for their own end. As a labor pool to exploit and wring dry for profit so they don’t have to do any of the things they see as beneath them while they live in opulent luxury and spend more on weekend vacations than you or i could earn in a dozen consecutive lifetimes.

    Now in the crazy off chance that our democracy actually does function (which is just impossible given the way the world is currently run by the .001%) then the democrats lost because they refuse to move to the left and they intentionally lost because their donors are the dame donors funding the republicans and democrats are under orders to sabotage any leftist populist candidates to maintain the class dictatorship that their billionaire owners have established and aim to maintain at all costs.

    Now let the butthurt neo liberal downvotes ensue.

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    “I think Americans have had it,” Walz explained. ”… Look, I own this. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d have won the election ― and we didn’t.”

    Good to see someone from the campaign acknowledge “getting votes” was the campaign’s entire job, and losing the election is the fault of the campaign.

    I hope Walz runs in a competitive primary and gets the nomination.

    But if they try to just hand a baton off, we’re gonna see the same result.

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          I feel like if Biden had stuck with something like, “I’m going to be one term and let some younger folks lead, we need some folks who are going to see the consequences of their actions running the show, not 70 and 80 year olds.” and had an actual primary, Harris wouldn’t have been the nominee and said nominee would have won. There’s a few other things that could have helped, but the short campaign was definitely a huge stumbling block.

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            I’ve seen people argue Biden and Jamie Harrison had a following out, and that Biden never really planned to run again, he just wanted to spoil the primary and push a very unpopular Harris onto the ticket.

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            Yes indeed, but also primaries can help to attract voters. I think the Sanders campaigns, though he didn’t win, made young people more likely to vote Democrat.

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          We did, in fact, have primaries. There were like 9 choices for the Democratic nominee in my state. Better challengers could have run but didn’t. Yes I know the DNC using funding to “encourage” or “discourage” but that doesn’t change the fact that challengers could have, and did, run in the primaries.

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              That is partially true. We the voters did not vote for Harris, but the Biden delegates who the primary voters sent to the convention did.

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                Yeah, and Biden was old. Even before his obvious deterioration, there was always a chance he wouldn’t make it through the term and Kamala would have to step up. If you voted for Biden in the primaries and were NOT ready for a potential future of a Harris presidency, I don’t know what you were thinking.

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              Your proof that we didn’t have primaries is to link a source that shows that not only did 48 states have a primary (I wasn’t aware that Florida and Delaware did not, so TIL, and thank you for that), but also that all of them had at least one challenger on the ballot? Show me who qualified to be on the primary ballot in their state, showed up to register for it, and was denied.

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                I’m not who posted it, but that list is either wrong or varies by county. My state is listed with a couple other candidates in various colors including green, but my actual primary ballot was Biden or nobody. (Or Trump or nobody). I just recycled it.

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            Primaries are kind of a moot point for the incumbent if they want to run again.

            Trump in 2020 had 2,549 delegates. The next closest was Bill Weld with 1.
            Biden in 2024 had 3,905 delegates. The next closest was uncommitted with 37.
            Obama in 2012 had 3,514 delegates. The next closest there was also uncommitted, with 72.
            Bush in 2004 had a clean delegate sweep of 2,509.

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              Yep. But it’s generally (just learned that Florida and Delaware Democratic parties cancelled theirs in 2024) not because the state parties just reject any other names to be put on the primary ballot. But there’s still a lot of people saying there was no primary or that the DNC wouldn’t let any challengers run. Just generally misplaced anger that they didn’t have better Presidential candidates to vote for when the reality is that better people just chose not to run. Has there ever been a primary challenger beat the incumbent president for the nomination and then win the election?

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                Has there ever been a primary challenger beat the incumbent president for the nomination and then win the election?

                There’d have to be a primary challenger who beat the incumbent first, and I don’t think that one has happened. I know Ted Kennedy got relatively close (Well, closer then the others I’ve mentioned, still blown out 1900 to 1200 delegates) to knocking out Carter on the Dem side, other then that, Reagan and Ford in 1976 was decided 1,121 to 1078 for Ford.

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      NO! NO! NO!

      NOOOOOOO!

      Do not nominate Tim Walz you stupid assholes. He was the blue republican addon to make the progressive Harris campaign appeal to centrists and republicans. He wanted to “expand israel’s borders”. He was elected in a district that ran straight red like the blood of the innocence for a long time before he won it, and then he lost that district during the election.

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        We have free public school lunches for all our kids here in Minnesota because of Governor Walz. How the fuck is that “blue republican”?

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          He might be further left than any republican but hes as far right as a Democrat can be. As I have said before I will vote for him, but I gurantee you millions of leftists won’t.

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        He was the blue republican addon to make the progressive Harris campaign appeal to centrists and republicans.

        The what Harris campaign?

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        Nope, because the majority of the people that are in these comments in this post and in several others that are acknowledging that the Democrats fucked up will start punching left again in about three years. And they will repeat their failures from 2016 2020 2024.

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    Nope. This is on Biden. It’s his fault Harris/Walz were put into an impossible situation.

    That senile old fuck was supposed to be a one-term president. If they’d spent 4 years planning for 2024 instead of sitting around with their thumbs up their asses maybe they could have run a winning campaign.

    But no, Joe was too proud or stupid or both to stick to that plan. This election was lost the instant he doddered his way on to the debate stage on 6/27/24.

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        Exactly, and it’s the third time we’ve been betrayed like this.

        Not going after the Bush administration.

        Not going after the subprime mortgage architects.

        Not going after Trump.

        Three times, they’ve had the easiest of layups for public approval of all time and they’ve consistently fucked it up.

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          I’d like to add:

          Not going after the Confederate states

          to this list

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          It’s not really a fuck up when they did it deliberately. Their priorities are in the wrong place because it’s an oligarchy.

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            Seeing liberal’s repeatedly stumble in stopping anyone to the right, but having the fangs come out the moment they need to protect themselves from the left really shows that it’s not failure, it’s refusal.

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              I see the same from the left though. Great criticism… of other leftists. Then defending authoritarian shitholes with dictators, like Russia. Makes no sense to me, it’s just tribalism.

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                That’s a false dichotomy. There are more political ideologies left of center than status quo liberalism and tankism. Most leftists are very much critical of Russia, because it’s an imperialist capitalist dictatorship.

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                  I hope so! I mean the left should be united against Russia but that’s not what I’m seeing, sadly.

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                Are you comparing the political actions of the only ostensibly anti-fascist party in the US to the leftist infighting of posters online? Try organizing with leftists outside and you might be able to see the difference.

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                  It’s kinda difficult to criticise those in power from the left when there aren’t any. Is there even 1 communist politician in th UK or america?

                  People, including us now, talk online and share their views. I’m sure the same would play out in person as it does online. Maybe luckily, some political ideologies seem to ban any criticism by banning anyone from their spaces who aren’t on board with their agenda. So that at least saves on talking to people who aren’t interested in talking to others, only pushing their propaganda.

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        Amen. 4 years to build a case? January 6th, spend 6-12 months and file charges. What the fuck were they doing for 4 years?

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        Or at least the second the supreme court said whatever the president does is legal as long as it’s an “official act”.

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        The Oligarchy will never convict one of their own. For four years, I said it was the dog and pony show. And in the end, nothing will happen to Trump. Here we are.

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      Lots and lots of balls were dropped. Garland didn’t get Trump in jail when he could have. Biden didn’t stick to only one term. A democratic candidate wasn’t really elected when Biden stepped down (for the record, I think that Harris was more than qualified, but a lot of people were upset that she was just “chosen”). Harris didn’t try to stand out and be her own candidate - she mostly just stuck with the status quo and never disagreed with Biden. Etc etc etc.

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        Warning bells started going off in my head the moment that the Democrats announced that Harris was going to be the candidate after Biden dropped out, not because I thought she was an unqualified candidate but because there was no time taken to search for other candidates. Maybe it was too close to the election to take the time to go through the rigamarole of all that but I think even a cursory effort to do so would have gone a long way towards making it feel like people’s opinions actually mattered. Biden dropping out was huge (at least to me) because it felt like an acknowledgement of the voters who had consistently felt like they were held hostage for their votes because the alternative was a fascist.

        It doesn’t help either that they went on to repeatedly shoot themselves in the feet while chasing moderate Republican votes, getting other prominent Democrats to chastise certain classes of voters and breeding the same voter apathy that hurt them in 2016, and their refusal to acknowledge that what’s happening in Gaza is a genocide that we shouldn’t help Israel perpetrate.

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          It’s also the campaign money, only goes to Harris, and not anyone else. They are legally required to return all that fundraising to the donors if they use a different candidate

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          Yeah, the moment I knew we were in trouble was when they publicized that video of Obama lecturing down to some black men about not supporting Harris enough. Whoever thought staging that was a good idea needs to retire from politics forever and go find a field to stand in.

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          On your last point, I don’t think Dems could’ve done anything different. They’re clearly in Israel pockets and they can’t disobey their corporate overlords and run on a more progressive agenda. Only other option was to try hard to get the “centrists”. Incredibly disappointing as they would rather lose and go hard fascist rather than let their donors lose any money (how’s that stock market looking?).

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          Maybe it was too close to the election to take the time to go through the rigamarole of all that but I think even a cursory effort to do so would have gone a long way towards making it feel like people’s opinions actually mattered.

          it was way too close for that, by the time you had found one, you would be weeks, if not one or two months prior to the election, with no VP, and only a candidate, you would’ve had to have started the primary at the time it normally does to pull that off, they took a gamble, and that gamble was that biden would ride it out, and im not really sure why they took that gamble, but they did, and they lost.

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        Putting trump in jail would’ve made America look bad. Oh, the irony.

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      A cascade of failures. Beyond Joe not man enough GTFO, the DNC once again anointed a letter instead of letting the public decide. yes, Joe should never have run for a second term. Given that he did, he should have dropped out sooner. Given that he didn’t, the DNC should have had an open convention rather than putting their thumbs on the scale in back room deals.

      Tim is 100% right that we would not be in this mess if they had won, but when is the DNC going to stop trying to manipulate everything and lie to us about it? They are to blame as much as Repugnacans.

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        Because they and R are same team. I bet it’s like lawyers who viciously go after each other in court, them have golf and martinis on weekends.

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      Harris made choices. She could have chosen not to adopt every single one of Bidens policies. What was biden going to do, fire her? If you look back at her presidential run she really struggled to articulate any policies back then too.

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        What was biden going to do, fire her

        If the reports are true, yes that seems to be the case. I’m not really sure what would have happened, but she was absolutely threatened into defending Biden’s legacy.

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          The president cannot fire the vice president.
          The best a president can do is lock the VP out of meetings. Bidens approval ratings were so low, being locked out of meetings would have cost her nothing. So exactly what reports are you quoting here, lets see them. I think you made that up.

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            Bidens approval ratings were so low, being locked out of meetings would have cost her nothing.

            Hell, if that happened and we assumed that anti-establishment sentiment is what got trump elected, maybe she could’ve capitalized on that to win the election as a “new” type of politician, one willing to go against the Democrat establishment whom literally everybody hates and dig up the potential dem voters who haven’t had hope for change since Obama. Of course, this is Kamala Harris we’re talking about, probably one of the last politicians that I’d expect to pull a move like that.

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      Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump.

      Biden shares a lot of the responsibility, but Harris and Walz were running on fundamentally faulty assumptions.

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      Biden made an appropriate decision to back out. He should have done it much sooner. But I’m not sure I would characterize the failings of Harris/Walz as Biden’s fault. I don’t really feel that’s fair.

      Harris’ main draw was that she didn’t want to do anything, which pissed off progressives. She was pro-establishment and pro-status quo. She didn’t need Biden’s help to not get votes… I have no love for Biden, but the truth is the truth.

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        But I’m not sure I would characterize the failings of Harris/Walz as Biden’s fault.

        Inasmuch as they ran as a continuation of his policy, I’d say there’s some blame to be had.

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          So you’re saying that two adults chose to run an unpopular and non-working Biden “plan” which was proven to not work, and that’s also Bidens fault because two completely unrelated people decided to also use that plan?

          Does your brain not work?

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                If biden hadn’t been such a mildewy dishrag of a president, his VP might have won. Now insult me more since it’s all centrists do when people expect better of them.

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                  And again this is about you hating Biden. Which is fine, hate him. But how long are you going to blame everything on him like a petulant child?

                  Next week when you stub your toe you’re going to blame him?

                  His Vice President chose to run for office. She chose the platform that she chose to run with. It wasn’t Joe Biden’s platform it wasn’t even loosely tangential to Joe Biden’s platform. But it’s his fault in your eyes because you feel that she stole his platform…

                  Go back and reread my anecdote about the police. You made it even more relevant.

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      This is on anyone who was within arms reach of Trump in the last decade and didn’t take matters into their own hands.

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        Yeah a bunch of people want to make excuses for 90 million people who just… Didn’t think it was important who won.

        Campaign was flawed but if people showed up to vote against fascism we wouldn’t be here. And there’s zero excuse for all 90 million of them to not show up.

        Edit- well, Im reading your post in a different light but, yes that too.

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            Funny, I noticed they were the only ones running campaigns with a legitimate change of winning against the fascists.

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              Talking about winning against fascism and actually doing something or not the same thing, they talk a big game and then end up capitulating to Republicans.

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                Winning elections is the only way to keep power from the hands of fascists that doesn’t involve extralegal actions.

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      They probably realised Harris wasn’t going to win due to the amount of prejudice and thought Biden had a better chance against trump (who they’d have guessed would have been axed after his loss and criminality, but it was a cult), but then they let Biden to abdicate because there was truth in the criticism of him and the media ran with it…

      At that point who else could they run? It was bad planning, not accounting for Biden’s age/health and the cult of trump.

      Also they should have given Bernie his shot. They didn’t want real change and it’s been forced on them anyway, but now to the detriment of all.

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    Turns out holding back the things that work (like calling fascists “weird”) while not breaking with some of Biden’s unpopular policies was a terrible idea… who would’ve thought? At least Walz is honest enough to admit it. I doubt the DNC will let the social democrats like Walz or Bernie take the lead though… establishment dems would rather stand by and praise Reagan while Trump dismantles the constitution.

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      The DNC is a right-wing party and frankly benefits from the current fascist oligarchy too. They still get their bribes from corporate lobbyists all the same. VERY few representatives actually lean left and fight for us - hell, even Sanders, Walz, and AOC are centrists at best and routinely fall in line with the establishment.

      2024 was no different than 2016. They didn’t listen to their voting base whatsoever because they’d rather have a fascist in charge than give any credence at all to leftist policies, even if it costs them an election. Just look at some of the info coming out about Harris’s campaign, where campaign workers were instructed to consider anyone asking about Gaza as a lost cause and not bother trying to earn their vote.

      The whole party is rotten to the core and needs to be completely dismantled and replaced with an actual far left worker’s party. As it stands right now, the DNC is essentially just a controlled opposition party, even if it’s not entirely intended to be one.

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        You can pretty much tell which one , Ds are getting the same megadonor moneys from the GOP, and yes the Dems are hoping coast on by along with the GOP, to eek some federal elections.

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        The DNC is a right-wing party dictatorship

        And we just got the furtherest left chain we’ve had in over 30 years…

        The chair has complete control and no accountability to anyone else.

        and replaced with an actual far left worker’s party.

        And the new chair agrees with you. You don’t even have to take his word, look at what he did as head of Minnesota’s state party

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          the new DNC chair just gave us elissa slotkin as trumps speech rebutter. She’s a zionist and menber of the problem solvers coalition (bipartisanship for bipartisanship sake) and new democrat caucus (pro business focus). She’s measured as the most centrist dem there is.

          The new chair is accountable to the same corrupt influences as the last one. We might as well have not appointed a new chair. Ken has to go.

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            She also co-sponsored legislation to ban corporate pacs…

            How are her (absolute dog shit) opinions about Israel affect the position she has?

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              Because you can trace the money, no matter what random, clearly going to die, just for show bill gets introduced.

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      “Weird” alienated voters. It’s an example of bad messaging that the dems doubled down on that made them lose.

      They lacked a platform that promised anything but more of the same that Americans were tired of. They needed to present something new and hopeful, not just lob an insult that much of America identifies with. A suite of policies to help the working class attracts votes to your side. Calling your opponents weird attracts votes to the weird anti-establishment.

      Weird plays into the republican’s hands, and it annoys the hell out of me how the dems decided to throw the election to focus on petty insults that come off as compliments to most observers.

      A part of the problem is that they didn’t hold back on broken and alienating messaging like “weird”. They should have focused on talking about what they can do for the people.

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    “We wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d have won the election — and we didn’t,”
    (Implies that if they(H&W) would have won we wouldn’t be in this mess)

    has quite the different sentiment than

    “Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris” (Implies its their fault we are in this mess)

    These headlines -_-

    Not that I prefer straight bias but we got conservative media calling these people cutting all of everyone’s safety nets “heroes” and this is supposed to be liberal media straight misquoting for clicks?

    We are in the worst timeline.

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      From the article:

      “We have to make sure that Americans know it’s not just that Donald Trump is bad but we’re offering them something better,” he continued. “And I think that’s what we need to work on.”

      That’s an admission of culpability.

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      I do blame them, though. They could have ridden the coattails of Biden’s withdrawal all the way to victory, but instead Hartis capitulated and palled around on stages with Republicans instead of Walz.

      The failure of the Democrat campaign has a lot of causes, but none more so than the failure of leadership.

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        Ultimately nobody wants to touch the issue of spiraling national and global wealth inequality, but it’s destroying our economic systems and the only fix would seem to be redistributing that wealth.

        Democrats need to force their doners to make concessions to the American people in order to get voters, which goes against the interests of their doners, and they won’t get elected without the money to spend on advertising that wins elections.

        Both the Republicans and the Neolibs lead to an oligarchhy.

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    Not you walz but the Democratic party. Send out 19 billion to Israel while our kids were hungry in school.

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        Like as if Biden did not find Israel. 19 billion dollar of our money As a Democrat, I expected Biden to do better. We already know trump is crap. One worse does not make another one good. Both parties are bad. United States is doomed with just two parties. I don’t want any of these two parties. What’s you take?

        If you want to win my vote and many others, know your base well democrats. We are not here to elect the least worse, we are here to elect the best out there for this nation. And don’t come btching here because u guys literally are the one that said our vote does not count before the election. may be it suddenly does? See ya in 2028. Hope u learn some lesson.

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        Thank god for your hindsight, without you we’d never realize what Trump is doing!

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      Tim signed the bill that guaranteed free breakfast and lunch for every K-12 student in Minnesota public schools. No needs-testing, no “lunch debt”…just free healthy food for children.

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        So the answer is to keep slowly sliding into fascism with the ‘slightly less evil’ party, rather than forcing their hand in the hope of democratic reforms which stop the slide?

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          The system is absolutely rigged and there are no winners. Americans are never gonna pull a france and pull out the guillotines. They hardly even protest. And when they do it’s because they want cheap eggs, gas or bot wearing masks. Or when a new iphone is out, then they have enough free time to camp on the street for a week.

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        Yeah yeah, continue giving excuses to the Democrats for not being as bad as the Republicans. They’re lucky they have supporters like you who will just take whatever bullshit they give out whenever they try and emulate the Republicans. Clearly you’re not satisfied with how right leaning the political system in America already is, you want them to go all the way. Considering how spineless their supporters are in making them shift their policies, I can see why they think it’s completely fine for them to offer mediocrity in the face of fascism.

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    There’s no leadership void in the Democratic Party, it’s been Bernard Sanders for quite a while. Them denying this is to their (and everyone elses) detriment. Just run Bernie/AOC and let’s get this over with.

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      Nancy Pelosi is the leadership of the Democrats. And AOC was not allowed to become top house dem. They chose Gerry Atrick Connely instead.

      AOC and Bernie will never be allowed to do anything besides sheepdogging progressives into the Democratic party. And at this point it appears they are fully on board with that.

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        Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries may control the official party apparatus, but when it comes to communicating and connecting with constituents and energizing the base, AOC and Bernie are clearly the only ones acting as opposition leaders.

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        At some point they have to fall in line and follow orders. Or fade into obscurity. It’s a truly shitty system. One long overdue for a big reset…

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        Sure as opposed to the totally stable and sane politics of today🙄. The establishment neoliberals aren’t popular . It’s just a fact

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          but people keep voting for them???

          Why does every dumbass on this site keep saying “BUT THEY AREN’T POPULAR” only to see them get literally 40-50% of the votes. If they truly weren’t popular, they would get like 30% of the vote.

          But i guess your entire counter argument is probably “WELL BUT HOW DID TRUMP WIN THEN?” anti-incumbency. Plain and simple.

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      No one lines up anyone. Stop spreading agitprop.

      I imagine it’ll be a pretty large primary cohort this season. If you want to run, feel free to run, too. There is no cabal.

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        If you want to run, feel free to run,

        Peak lib delusion. This disconnect from reality is a big part of why y’all lose.

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        It is prohibitively expensive to run for president. It’s only for the super rich now because for some reason we conflate money with skill even though they are unrelated.

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        This has been demonstrably untrue for the past two Democratic primaries, and the people in charge of the DNC largely haven’t changed, but keep huffing that copium.

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          Nope, I’m good. See, because I voted, even voted for Sanders. But I also kept track of the primary process and didn’t just huff the farts of personality cultists on the Internet.

          Bernie 2016 had a shot early on but it faded as the elections moved into swing states. Bernie 2020 lost his chance when the Bernie bros started being assholes to Warren. That sad display took them both down.