Donald Trump on Wednesday launched fresh vitriol against the judge and prosecuting attorney in his New York business fraud trial, carefully skirting a gag order imposed on him just a day prior.
Trump tried Tuesday to bully a court clerk, sharing false conspiracies about her as well as her personal information. Presiding Judge Arthur Engoron issued a gag order later that day prohibiting all parties involved in the case from publicly discussing court staff.
While Trump avoided mentioning court staff on Wednesday, he went all out with attacks against Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
“This is election interference. They made up a fake case, these fraudulent people,” Trump told reporters. “And the judge already knows what he’s gonna do. He’s a Democrat judge. In all fairness to him, he has no choice.… He’s run by the Democrats.”
For once, let there be consequences
Yeah. That is text book contempt of court, you can throw people in jail or give a fine for that.
edit: Like that is the whole point of the gag order. Stop talking about this or face consequences upon insisting on continuing. Without the face consequences part the gag order is meaningless plea for good behavior. You can do that personally just with “would you please not talk about this” by the judge. When one is issuing gag the whole point is “we don’t believe you keep mouth shut on your own accord so we have to enforce it with pain of punishment”.
I would love to see him in jail for this, but hear me out: I want to see him lose everything in New York first… and he didn’t actually break the gag order. Which makes me want to gag saying it, but here we are.
Trump’s strategy his entire life has been trying to find ways to flout the rules and make money. He thinks he’s “clever” by not paying people he owes and constantly fucking people over; that he’s a good businessman despite all the failures and obvious fraud.
The gag order specifically states that Trump can’t talk about the Judge’s staff. So he goes around that by going back to attacking the judge himself and the Letitia James… who aren’t covered by any gag order because they’re public officials, not court staff. Trump is once again just toeing the line of what could get him in actual trouble. He is genuinely a piece of shit.
All that being said, keep in mind that that the overall punishment is currently happening. It may not be Trump in jail, ever, because he’s a turd no one can seem to flush. But just, for a second, imagine a New York without the word Trump plastered on it. It will eat him alive for the rest of his life. And that’s not all that’s happening to him; I don’t think the rest of his life is going to be super fun for him. He seems miserable.
The dude desperately wanted to be accepted by New York’s elite; his dad owned shitty buildings in Queens (I think, someone can correct me if I’m wrong) so when Donald made it to Manhattan — where the ultra-wealthy live — it was huge for his ego. He’s been riding that ever since, except that high society still knows he’s dumb trash. His insecurity shows in how he acts, what he says, and how he talks about everything being so luxurious. He’s desperate to be accepted by the old world elite, but they despise him.
And now they’re scrubbing his entire legacy from New York. Not because they hate him, but because he’s very obviously a fraud. I don’t know if there could be a more direct rebuke to his actual “life’s work.” They’re erasing him.
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This was satisfying to read.
Thank you!
I could keep going, I am here for Trump’s slow miserable downfall. I want him to definitely not be in politics ever again, but I’m currently enjoying watching him get his ass handed to him. Over and over again.
He’s still facing lots of felonies too. Imagine having to keep going to court, and you’re being photographed all slouching next to the only attorneys who will work with you.
Not good lawyers, either. He made a choice in 2020 to try to stay in power by any means necessary, which meant aligning himself with Rudy Giuliani and a bunch of other “crazies,” which is literally what Mike Pompeo called them. After that, lawyers wouldn’t go near him, which is why that group is kind of the last Trump lawyers you heard a ton of detail about. Now they change all the time because no one with a name will work with him. Not only does he have several huge cases coming up, he can’t even get good lawyers.
He already lost this case, that’s why he’s so upset. And he might be coming to terms with the next year or more of his life sitting in court and being told what to do. It’s gotta be kind of a slap in the face. AND to have to go to New York to do it, which he hates now.
If he doesn’t spend the rest of his life looking miserable in court, he will look miserable honking into a microphone, or next to his very obviously miserable wife. Without good lighting he looks like the melting guy from the end of Robocop.
I want to watch him be miserable until he dies, and all of this has to be complete hell for a narcissist like him.
You’re spot on. And what’s worse (for Trump), is that he wouldn’t even get the proceeds from sales of the properties. If he was forced to sell all the properties and was allowed to keep the money, it would at least add to his bank account total. That’s something he values even more than being loved by the NY elites.
But no, he wouldn’t keep the proceeds and he might actually be fined hundreds of millions of dollars on top of all this. The “Trump is a genius billionaire business man” part of his ego has been seriously wounded and is rapidly deflating.
Now if only Florida weren’t in his pocket, they could access Mar-A-Lago’s value at $1 billion for tax purposes. After all, that’s what Trump said it was worth and he must be telling the truth, right?
I can see it now.
The judge taking away the phone from Trump and smashing it with a hammer. Only for Trump to summon a new phone from his pocket. Then the judge smashing that phone as well, only for Trump to keep summoning new phones ad infinitum as the judge keeps smashing them like some sort of Bugs Bunny cartoon.
Like that is the whole point of the gag order. Stop talking about this or face consequences upon insisting on continuing. Without the face consequences part the gag order is meaningless plea for good behavior.
He very carefully tiptoed around the gag order though. The order was to not talk about X, so he talked about Y and Z that were related to, but not included in X. Because he’s going to rant about the case in whatever way he technically can, because that’s what Trump does. Trump couldn’t stop talking in public for 5 minutes on a bet, he has the verbal version of IBS.
He’d have a full-blown meltdown. It’d be glorious.
Narrator: there were no consequences.
If I could see a single consequence for anything he’s done beyond the inconvenience of having to appear in court to continue denying he’s done anything wrong prior to the 2024 election, it would make me so happy.
Has there ever been a whiny crybaby like this guy before?
He’s the biggest victim-player in the entire world. Sure is odd how his fans think he’s ultra-masculine just because he’s also an overconfident bully.
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Oh damn cry-bully is so good
Yep. I’ve had a couple relationships with people like that. Most recently, a gf who acted exactly like that… she’d blame all of our problems on me, never take accountability, never acknowledge that her actions or behavior could influence me too, was thrilled to criticize me but if I said anything about her (even very fair things where I shared blame) she’d either change the topic to something irrelevant to criticize me, or clam up or leave and then blame me for finding the conversation frustrating. Expected me to do all the housework, then blamed me for not doing enough. Spent most of her time on social media, blamed me for her not getting work done, was obsessed with things like “221 people wished me happy birthday on facebook!”. Incredibly dysfunctional and infuriating after a while. Not like I’m an expert, but after watching 50 hours of NPD videos on YouTube she ticks all the boxes.
Nothing is ever their fault, they have never been wrong, and you are never good enough for them. Every story is either them being a badass or being a victim. Everything you do was to hurt them, you can’t just be tired you are being lazy. You can’t just want some alone time you are separating yourself from them.
Oh I didn’t know one of my siblings had a lemmy account
They also think his complete disregard and sexual misconduct towards women is super masculine
Usually mankind doesn’t give them a platform… but yeah of course there a lot of people who’s lives run on blaming others.
He’s the whiniest. People come up to him. Big, strong men with tears in their eyes. They say “Sir, you whine more than anyone else!”
“Sir, it is very unfair how they treat you!!”
“Yes, unfair, very unfair…”I tried to give you an extra upvote for this one 😆
Alex Jones pretty much pulled the same stunt and we all saw how well that played out for him
Kinda fine so far? As of a couple of weeks ago, he still hadn’t paid a dime to any of the Sandy Hook families because he declared bankruptcy. He’s still spending a bunch of money and still doing Info Wars. It’ll probably catch up to him eventually? I hope? https://apnews.com/article/alex-jones-sandy-hook-shooting-bankruptcy-34192bd7d89ed786f64580682f6ea89e
It’s wild how gentle the courts are with the rich and powerful doing absolutely abhorrent shit on massive scales
But find a joint roach on a poor person unfortunate enough to not have light skin, and they’re near instantly thrown into jail for years and years
I don’t know how anybody can not think that the justice system is broken
So first off, yes rich people have HUGE advantages in court. That being said, the clear difference here is that civil trials and criminal trials function very differently and on wildly different timetables.
It’s QUITE fast, generally speaking, to start a civil processing and much slower to actually see restitution, and the exact opposite is true for criminal cases.
Considering he openly admitted that he was going to hide his money in offshore accounts so the victims won’t get it, he’s still spouting conspiracy nonsense on infowars, and has maintained exactly the same lifestyle he had before, I’d say it went pretty well for him.
People severely overestimate the impact that these cases have had against people like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon. They may have had some bumps in the road, and a bunch of lawyers made a bunch of money. But in the end, these guys are still able to keep on keeping on.
This is what I keep telling people. If you lose in court and the effective outcome is nil, nothing really happened.
Meanwhile the rest of us aren’t treated like we are drugking mafia dons for missing a hundred dollars on our tax return or bring slightly over the limit. It’s fucking pathetic, they bully downwards.
Elon Musk kinda comes to mind, but Trump shits all over what Musk has done…
So far… lol
What a trainwreck of a man. He could have just let SpaceX do it’s thing and pretend he was the super tech genius behind it and be loved for life. In a way I am glad, him messing around with Twatter and Tesla keeps him distracted from breaking the one smart investment he ever made.
I wish I could hear from the republican side a reasoning why apparently nobody in their side has the balls to prosecute this obviously criminal person. It’s crazy how far from truth we have become in all sides of the fence. I hope humanity survives to properly analyze the reasons how it came to this.
How it came to this does not require deep analysis. Unchecked conservatism naturally leads to fascism. This has been the case throughout history.
The conservatism in the Democrat party is slightly checked by the progressives, but the Republicans have done nothing at all to check the conservatism in their party. So, now they are a fascist party. Simple.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death. It always has been
A useful analysis would go deeper.
Republicans have done nothing at all to check the conservatism in their party
Ok so why haven’t they? And why does so much of the population support the fascists that the Republicans have become?
Ok so why haven’t they?
I would argue because it’s useful to have the circus and distraction, they have things they don’t want to see the light of day, and/or they believe they and their buddies are above the law.
And why does so much of the population support the fascists that the Republicans have become?
Because they’re fed a diet of propaganda over decades that they believe whole heartedly and refuse to hear otherwise no matter what the evidence is. “Republicans aren’t the fascists! Antifa is!”
Was Soviet Union conservative?
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Yes. The governments of the Soviet Union and the majority of the population were famously socially conservative.
Your disingenuous question reminds me that every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
I’m not a conservative.
Every word.
Haha.
I can assure you, as much as you’re trying, I won’t become a conservative either. But I’m also done listening to your pointless drivel :)
There are a handful of examples already that we can look back on, Weimar Germany for example…
Yes, and Russia/Soviet Union especially led an anti-truth campaign all through 1900s. And it continues.
nobody has the balls
He’ll let them steal what they wanna steal and hurt who they wanna hurt as long as he’s in power and the moment he fucks up someone else will be along to destroy him and you can join the crowd saying “Oh we had no idea, what a shame”. As long as them don’t let him sucker them into committing crimes on his behalf Trump is a gift to the Republican party, someone who can loudly be what they feel compelled to be quietly, then just be disposed of when he’s no longer useful.
nobody has the balls
He’ll let them steal what they wanna steal and hurt who they wanna hurt as long as he’s in power and the moment he fucks up someone else will be along to destroy him and you can join the crowd saying “Oh we had no idea, what a shame”. As long as them don’t let him sucker them into committing crimes on his behalf Trump is a gift to the Republican party, someone who can loudly be what they feel compelled to be quietly, then just be disposed of when he’s no longer useful.
The combination of the ridiculous spray tan on his face with the crazy bleaching of his teeth make him really hard to look at. Plus he’s a garbage human being so reading stories about him is not at the top of my list already.
like a half eaten toasted Twinkie
I’m utterly unsurprised. The man is incapable of keeping his big mouth shut.
He can swallow his own first with it though.
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It’s actually a weirdly little mouth.
Is the judge not a member of the court staff?
I haven’t been able to find the exact text of the order. When speaking about it, the judge kept referencing “members of my court staff” and a reasonable argument could be made that that did not include the actual judge.
Let’s just hope the judge can clamp down on Trump over all this. Also when I normally say “don’t threaten anybody in my family” most people wouldn’t misunderstand it as “but you can threaten me, totally fine” but I wouldn’t be surprised if trump asked his staff who he could lash out at while staying within the gag order and this is what he came up with.
if trump asked his staff who he could lash out at
Like he asks anyone those type of things. He’s just Leroy Jenkins his tweets and let’s people sort it out after the fact
True haha
I think the judge has to keep their eyes on the prize, which is finding the most equitable outcome for all parties.
That only includes trying to keep Trump inline insofar as his behaviour might jeopardise an equitable outcome.
That means protecting court staff so they may execute their duties, but issuing orders needs to be balanced against the chances trumps supporters will believe the final ruling is inequitable.
True to form, that’s exactly how Trump has responded to this gag order “see! It’s all rigged!”
finding the most equitable outcome for all parties.
Letting Trump abuse his national platform to pervert and prevent the course of justice has nothing to do with fair treatment.
Also, as it’s a somewhat adversarial thing, an equitable OUTCOME would defeat the point. Especially in the case of Donald where there’s no doubt about his guilt.
The main job of these lawsuits aren’t finding out whether he’s guilty, it’s locking down the facts in such a manner that the worst bad faith and illogical but still following the letter of the law arguments against reality can’t gain legal traction.
Edit: having read the rest, I am now convinced that you’re using the wrong word. It’s fairness, not equity.
No matter the outcome and any circumstances, including letting him get away with hundreds of times more than a regular defendant, his cult following will continue to claim that he’s an innocently persecuted martyr. That’s how cults work.
Tl;dr: Trump is already being shown excessive leniency and basing anything on the reaction of a cult is lunacy.
An equitable outcome means that everyone’s interests (including the public’s) are appropriately weighed.
My point is, it’s the outcome which is important. The more bs there is along the way, including gag orders et cetera, the more fertile ground for discontent later on.
And my point is that the appropriate weight to give to the comfort of the obviously guilty and blatantly manipulative Trump’s wish to threaten and defame without consequences is none.
As for discontent later on, that’s a given, since his cult will believe his claims no matter how obviously false ni matter what anyone does or says, so trying to please them is a lost cause.
The only significant effect of imposing a general gag order is on the safety of those he’ll vilify to his unhinged and frequently violent cult following.
That and the news will be less saturated with his nonsense, but that’s just a very pleasant bonus.
I don’t see anyway his supporters ever see any negative outcome as just. The longer you let him spout off, the more they ll be convinced it’s a sham… Because he’s telling them that.
It’s s tough position for the judge to be sure but at some point, you have to address his bad behavior.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23979185-trump-gag-request
It looks like that’s the criminal trial gov v trump org and it’s the request for gag order by the state.
Is this it? Unfortunately things are hard to find and I am new to this.
Well, that’s one of his gag orders, but it’s from the DC case. But I really appreciate you going out of your way to try to find it - thanks!
I tried :)
You did! There’s just so much going on with him that it’s getting really hard to keep everything straight :)
So is this when he gets locked up for contempt of court? What consequences does he face for violating the gag order? If nothing, it’s just business as usual…
He didn’t violate it.
I’m suspicious he didn’t violate something for once
Isn’t the judge part of court staff? Which he just discussed publicly?
Dictators just love shooting themselves in the head, don’t they
Unfortunately it happens long after their damage has already been done
The cornered coward will lash out at everyone and no doubt would back and suggest/support an armed civilian conflict if it meant delaying his inevitable upcoming demise
to paraphrase a Russian training manual: the end state of a useful idiot is to burn them down in a way to cause maximum damage or confusion
causing another US civil war has been a foreign intelligence goal for years, and trump is dumb and evil enough to do it for them
As much as I hate to admit it, falling victim to the same tactics that we used in most of South America is probably just deserts.
He did it once
Throw him in the clink.
What about Hillary’s email server? 😂
Buttery males!
Dig that hole deeper and deeper.