• 4am@lemm.eeEnglish
    313·
    9 months ago

    Your current consciousness, the one you are thinking with right now, would end.

    A clone of you would go on at the transport site, fully believing that it is you, and that everything was fine.

    Reconstructive teleportation is just remote replicators with mind control.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
      182·
      9 months ago

      Feel free to prove the discontinuation of consciousness scientifically while satisfying all philosophic schools of thought on the matter.

      • School_Lunch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        24·
        9 months ago

        If you make a perfectly exact replica of yourself do you suddenly perceive the universe from two perspectives?

      • nymwit@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        9 months ago

        I mean, is there a scientific consensus on what constitutes consciousness? I thought that was a stumbling point on trying to pin down the various parts of the study of it. I wouldn’t say brain activity ceases while sleeping like that other comment but I’m in the camp that thinks the break in consciousness/awareness-of-being in a ST transporter is not really different than the break when sleeping.

      • Sordid@beehaw.orgEnglish
        51·
        9 months ago

        Easy, build the clone without destroying the original, then test if they share perceptions and memories. Show one a playing card and ask the other what card it was or something. Proving that two people don’t have the same consciousness is pretty trivial, and I don’t know of any philosophical schools that would dispute that.

          • Sordid@beehaw.orgEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            Yup, pretty much. It’s a shame Star Trek recognizes and points out this problem but then chickens out of it actually having any consequences.

    • nexguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      9 months ago

      Same as sleeping. You could have been replaced by a clone every night while sleeping and never know it.

      • School_Lunch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        81·
        9 months ago

        That sounds like a form of last Thursdayism. The entire universe could’ve been created last Thursday with everything made to seem older, including everyone’s memories. These philosophies are usually shot down by occam’s razor.

        • nymwit@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          9 months ago

          Agree for Occam’s if someone is actually suggesting they are replaced nightly or your last Thursdayism, but as for conceiving of parallels to a made up teleportation technology and its philosophical implications, is the break in consciousness/self awareness for sleep not a reasonable comparison?

          • School_Lunch@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            Occam’s razor is choosing the simplest answer. There is no simple answer when it comes to teleportation. I’m not sure there is a full break in consciousness when we sleep. Consciousness may not even be the right word…

            In this case I’m not defining consciousness as simply being awake, but instead defining it as the perspective from which each individual perceives the universe.

            • nymwit@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              9 months ago

              then we get to really specifically define individual, perspective, and perception (can you perceive while unconscious? I guess?), all sorts of fun knots to tie oneself into. I always thought the difference in sense vs. perception was the thinking about it, but if it’s processed at all by the “unconscious” I guess it’s still perception? I mean, I’m gettting twisted up thinking if my individual consciousness has a perspective from which it perceives the world

        • nexguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          Cloning isn’t necessary. Every night your stream of consciousness could actually and permanently end and a new one is created upon dreaming/waking but you would never know it. This could be how it really works though we can’t know that. You could continuously lose and create new consciousnesses every firing of a neuron.

      • 4am@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        True. This could be the first and only day of your life so far!

    • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
      41·
      9 months ago

      Your current consciousness, the one you are thinking with right now, would end.

      Same thing happens every time you go to sleep. If your consciousness exists you exist, right down to you worrying about continuity of consciousness.