@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
And there is a post where i saw your upvote and confronted you since you played as if you didn’t took part of it, didn’t know while being an advocate for hexbear’s instance.
That was one of my worst experience on internet.
It left me a very sour taste and when i showed your upvote, i hoped you would apologize, recognize that you played a role, then stand up and try to talk to them. Something like that.
However, you still ask us to change our view on hexbear while they continue doing the same thing…You may consider changing your point of view.
I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad from either of my 2 accounts, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I remember an admin abusing admin privledges to try to intimidate me into apologizing about who I upvoted and downvoted, so if that’s you then I suppose that checks out.
@Cowbee
You don’t need an account to see what those post are about. You know why you can’t interact with them. You can see them.
No, sorry, i’m not the right person. I’m not an admin but an moderator. I don’t belong to the trial section of the mod team, i don’t take position.
Our vote are public, anyone can see them. For example on mbin. That’s when i decided to sent that screenshot because you were defending hexbear anywhere.
@thoro
That’s the same principle as in any election. We check out your identity, make sure you didn’t vote twice, that you live there. That’s the core of the democracy system : transparency.
If i sum up, you want no one to check who backed those posts. Or find out a hexbear alt/supporter account as this one.
The best way is to completly remove the voting system from Lemmy because if vote aren’t public, most admin/mod team will remove them.
Yes, I know I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it’s blocked, and I can’t on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don’t really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing “transgender ideology” to radicalize youths against the US.
I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.
For reference, I don’t think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don’t really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn’t pleasant to have people try to “expose” you and force an apology, no matter what it is.
@Cowbee
I wasn’t talking about opening it why your account. As i said, you don’t need to interact with your account, you have a web browser.
you are right to defend your opinion but on the other hand there is thing that you can’t defend as those post i sent. So our vote quickly switched in defavour of hexbear. We were against defederation with hexbear firstly. And you didn’t question that.
Yes Lemmy dev designed vote of Lemmy that way. Any admin can see vote so they can check if there was any brigaging. I can’t. There was a raiding and a massive amount of upvote, downvote, so that’s when we check them up.
There are melery hidden but visible anywhere on the fediverse. On mbin, you can see upvote. You can see them on iceshrimp. And if you mount your own server, you can see everything.
Vote system has its pro and cons. In some case it allows us to block spam, push a good post. Other case it transform the whole thing as a stadium and escalate quickly.
I’m against voting system because it encourage a social pressure. I would completly remove them as beehaw do.
The idea of voting is promoting the most interesting/funny comment promote a mindset. And it doen’t tell anything about its content.
I prefer a tag system that tell us i’m talking about vegetable or scientific study. Then other tags as “good tips” “complete newpaper” “hilarous” “sad” “thank you !”
Indeed, it’s not alway pleasent seing ourselve in a mirror for anyone me included. That’s when you decide what is the best action.
Staying silent because you know it can be detrimentale, because you went there too. Because you know that he/she would deny. Because he/she will react badly and you need to protect yourself. Because it is not the right time and later they will ready.
Or saying the truth. I exposed you because it was a very serious issue and I wanted you to question your values. I wanted you to change, otherwise i wouldn’t write to you again.
I’m pretty sure you didn’t see that way, i’m a pest, aren’t i ? 😊 It was my own way to help you a little and then hexbear.
I already explained why I don’t care to visit MeanwhileOnGrad, it just serves as an outlet for the most obsessed anticommunists to witch-hunt and jeer using out of context screenshots, where the mods complain about “wokeness” and “DEI.”
To be clear, jlai.lu was upset at an out-of-context clipping and chose to hate on Algerians, when it’s very clear that France is not clean of colonial attitudes. From Macron:
“I think that they forgot to say ‘thank you’. It does not matter, it will come with time,” Mr Macron said, in a speech to French ambassadors on Jan 6.
“We did the right thing,” he said of the military deployment, adding that “none” of the states of the Sahel region would be “sovereign” today without that intervention.
This then turned to some jlai.lu users accusing Hexbear users of being fascists and using ableist terms like “MAGAt*rd” that some jlai.lu users walked back after being called out on it, but the damage was done and understandably Hexbear came back to answer such accusations.
It’s extremely condescending to think of yourself as some “helper.” This attitude, plus the intention to shame users into apologizing for what you percieve as injustices, will always get in the way of you actually trying to talk to people and get them to see your way. It’s chauvanism.
@Cowbee
Dunno where to start. Yes and the mod team blame the user for it. And then it excalated quickly. Our admin was fired up and played at your own game.
Well, the quote isn’t enough. France is a complex polical landscape.
Jlailu ≠ France.
Jlailu ≠ Macron.
There are also belgians and right now few Swiss joined us. Jlai.lu is a very very very very small part of r/france. The biggest french comnunities on the fedi are on Mastodon. Futhermore most french users don’t use reddit, masto, lemmy but facebook, tiktok…we are a very very small part.
Macron was elected on the second tour because it was the only option left to block the far right movement. Most of leftist had no choice to vote again Macron knowing well what he will do. We endure him. Futhermore white vote + abstention was around 28%.
Yes, France is a colonial country. You can add Mayotte. Macron said racist thing. And Attal reported them as he is preparing 2027 election. Attal is not doing it out of interest.
Bolloré has bought various media and slowly change France political landscape to the far right movement as Vladimir Poutine did. Here is a study from the CNRS, about the Kremlin in France, in english : hal-emse.ccsd.cnrs.fr/CURIE/hal-04629585v4
The point you omit with your quote on Macron is : what was our reaction to Macron on jlai.lu ? On the fediverse ?
it’s a weird logic. Let’s do as you wrote : imagine you live in America, then i quote Trump. Let’s take a break.
@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
Don’t know what you’re talking about, to be honest. Do you have a link?
@Cowbee
There is lot links in this community. I selected few one :
sh.itjust.works/post/26887977
sh.itjust.works/post/26892019
And there is a post where i saw your upvote and confronted you since you played as if you didn’t took part of it, didn’t know while being an advocate for hexbear’s instance.
That was one of my worst experience on internet.
It left me a very sour taste and when i showed your upvote, i hoped you would apologize, recognize that you played a role, then stand up and try to talk to them. Something like that.
However, you still ask us to change our view on hexbear while they continue doing the same thing…You may consider changing your point of view.
I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad from either of my 2 accounts, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I remember an admin abusing admin privledges to try to intimidate me into apologizing about who I upvoted and downvoted, so if that’s you then I suppose that checks out.
@Cowbee
You don’t need an account to see what those post are about. You know why you can’t interact with them. You can see them.
No, sorry, i’m not the right person. I’m not an admin but an moderator. I don’t belong to the trial section of the mod team, i don’t take position.
Our vote are public, anyone can see them. For example on mbin. That’s when i decided to sent that screenshot because you were defending hexbear anywhere.
Yeah, but those that go and look to confront users are absolute losers. And I’d love mbin to fail for that “feature”
@thoro
That’s the same principle as in any election. We check out your identity, make sure you didn’t vote twice, that you live there. That’s the core of the democracy system : transparency.
If i sum up, you want no one to check who backed those posts. Or find out a hexbear alt/supporter account as this one.
The best way is to completly remove the voting system from Lemmy because if vote aren’t public, most admin/mod team will remove them.
Yes, I know I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it’s blocked, and I can’t on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don’t really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing “transgender ideology” to radicalize youths against the US.
I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.
For reference, I don’t think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don’t really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn’t pleasant to have people try to “expose” you and force an apology, no matter what it is.
@Cowbee
I wasn’t talking about opening it why your account. As i said, you don’t need to interact with your account, you have a web browser.
you are right to defend your opinion but on the other hand there is thing that you can’t defend as those post i sent. So our vote quickly switched in defavour of hexbear. We were against defederation with hexbear firstly. And you didn’t question that.
Yes Lemmy dev designed vote of Lemmy that way. Any admin can see vote so they can check if there was any brigaging. I can’t. There was a raiding and a massive amount of upvote, downvote, so that’s when we check them up.
There are melery hidden but visible anywhere on the fediverse. On mbin, you can see upvote. You can see them on iceshrimp. And if you mount your own server, you can see everything.
Vote system has its pro and cons. In some case it allows us to block spam, push a good post. Other case it transform the whole thing as a stadium and escalate quickly.
I’m against voting system because it encourage a social pressure. I would completly remove them as beehaw do.
The idea of voting is promoting the most interesting/funny comment promote a mindset. And it doen’t tell anything about its content.
I prefer a tag system that tell us i’m talking about vegetable or scientific study. Then other tags as “good tips” “complete newpaper” “hilarous” “sad” “thank you !”
Indeed, it’s not alway pleasent seing ourselve in a mirror for anyone me included. That’s when you decide what is the best action.
Staying silent because you know it can be detrimentale, because you went there too. Because you know that he/she would deny. Because he/she will react badly and you need to protect yourself. Because it is not the right time and later they will ready.
Or saying the truth. I exposed you because it was a very serious issue and I wanted you to question your values. I wanted you to change, otherwise i wouldn’t write to you again.
I’m pretty sure you didn’t see that way, i’m a pest, aren’t i ? 😊 It was my own way to help you a little and then hexbear.
I already explained why I don’t care to visit MeanwhileOnGrad, it just serves as an outlet for the most obsessed anticommunists to witch-hunt and jeer using out of context screenshots, where the mods complain about “wokeness” and “DEI.”
To be clear, jlai.lu was upset at an out-of-context clipping and chose to hate on Algerians, when it’s very clear that France is not clean of colonial attitudes. From Macron:
This then turned to some jlai.lu users accusing Hexbear users of being fascists and using ableist terms like “MAGAt*rd” that some jlai.lu users walked back after being called out on it, but the damage was done and understandably Hexbear came back to answer such accusations.
It’s extremely condescending to think of yourself as some “helper.” This attitude, plus the intention to shame users into apologizing for what you percieve as injustices, will always get in the way of you actually trying to talk to people and get them to see your way. It’s chauvanism.
@Cowbee
Dunno where to start. Yes and the mod team blame the user for it. And then it excalated quickly. Our admin was fired up and played at your own game.
You did exactly the same thing. Here is the post you agreed on :
jlai.lu/pictrs/image/0285ede7-7d7e-4082-b8f2-df56bc748649.png?format=webp
Well, the quote isn’t enough. France is a complex polical landscape.
Jlailu ≠ France.
Jlailu ≠ Macron.
There are also belgians and right now few Swiss joined us. Jlai.lu is a very very very very small part of r/france. The biggest french comnunities on the fedi are on Mastodon. Futhermore most french users don’t use reddit, masto, lemmy but facebook, tiktok…we are a very very small part.
Macron was elected on the second tour because it was the only option left to block the far right movement. Most of leftist had no choice to vote again Macron knowing well what he will do. We endure him. Futhermore white vote + abstention was around 28%.
Yes, France is a colonial country. You can add Mayotte. Macron said racist thing. And Attal reported them as he is preparing 2027 election. Attal is not doing it out of interest.
Bolloré has bought various media and slowly change France political landscape to the far right movement as Vladimir Poutine did. Here is a study from the CNRS, about the Kremlin in France, in english :
hal-emse.ccsd.cnrs.fr/CURIE/hal-04629585v4
The point you omit with your quote on Macron is : what was our reaction to Macron on jlai.lu ? On the fediverse ?
it’s a weird logic. Let’s do as you wrote : imagine you live in America, then i quote Trump. Let’s take a break.