Some of the comments on that article made me realise I’m a bit out of the loop: what makes Asahi linux “woke”?
It is sad though that there is so much drama around linux development. It’s easy for me to say this, but I do think it’s important that there is a switch to a newer language like Rust away from C eventually.
It’s dumb culture war bullshit, but instead of revolving around black characters in media, it’s about a programming language. While there are legitimate critiques of both Rust and interoperating it with a legacy C codebase like Linux (and some people did in the mailings, even if a bit poorly communicated), It almost always boils down to how memory safety supposed to make development much easier, or the dreaded “Code of Conduct”.
The biggest programming language culture warriors are often not even mainline C devs, but Javascript/Python devs that idolize the suffering of system devs. Others are just people who tell you to use Python if you want an “easy and productive” language instead of dealing with programming language jank that was needed in the 70’s when RAM was extremely limited.
The anti-CoC crowd barely even codes. At least when Walter Bright and co. started to throw out chud adjacent people from D, it’s popularity decline reversed, although it also coincided with other changes in the language governance. It seems like the nazis didn’t even code, just were around to push D as a rival to Rust as a memory safe language, even if D’s memory safety features are more opt-in in nature (safe by default can be achieved by putting @safe: just after the module declaration).
Thanks, this seems like a very thorough description of the situation. My limited understanding of how coding works and has worked through history is like you say “filled with a lot of jank” regarding memory because it was limited but also because compilers weren’t as efficient as they are today. So it makes sense that there are purists that believes the only good code is the one where programmers are in total control of every bit of memory themselves instead of leaving anything to automation.
I saw someone saying AI “Apparently AI goes hand in hand with wokeism.”
Meanwhile, I’ve seen quite a few complaints from the types this person dismisses as “woke” about AI. Is there more left-leaning approval from AI than I think there is, and more right-leaning disdain for it than I think there is?
What the actual fuck are you on about? This is a technical argument about whether rust should be allowed innthe Linux kernel and the impact of that decision on devs, you absolute troglodyte.
Usually people who explain “woke” in such a manner seem to be the types who are actively hostile to LGBTQ+. There are a few LGBTQ+ people who do make it their entire identity instead of one facet of themselves and I understand how annoying that can be, but at this point I’m a lot less likely to believe “this is someone who turns ‘How is the weather today?’ with a stranger into a trans rights discussion” and more likely to believe “this person just hates trans people and is trying to frame the trans person poorly so I resent the trans person and not them.”
I 100% agree with you, and my apologies if I came off as hateful, I really don’t think I am, but my problems are only with the people who make it their entire identity as you say, they are just exhausting humans in general and I don’t really care how they want to identify or whatever, I would pose the same arguments to people of any persuasion if there was a sizeable number of them doing it.
The downvotes are kind of a proof of what you were talking about. So quick to try to censor your response. Did they even catch the question “what makes it woke?”
Some of the comments on that article made me realise I’m a bit out of the loop: what makes Asahi linux “woke”?
It is sad though that there is so much drama around linux development. It’s easy for me to say this, but I do think it’s important that there is a switch to a newer language like Rust away from C eventually.
It’s dumb culture war bullshit, but instead of revolving around black characters in media, it’s about a programming language. While there are legitimate critiques of both Rust and interoperating it with a legacy C codebase like Linux (and some people did in the mailings, even if a bit poorly communicated), It almost always boils down to how memory safety supposed to make development much easier, or the dreaded “Code of Conduct”.
The biggest programming language culture warriors are often not even mainline C devs, but Javascript/Python devs that idolize the suffering of system devs. Others are just people who tell you to use Python if you want an “easy and productive” language instead of dealing with programming language jank that was needed in the 70’s when RAM was extremely limited.
The anti-CoC crowd barely even codes. At least when Walter Bright and co. started to throw out chud adjacent people from D, it’s popularity decline reversed, although it also coincided with other changes in the language governance. It seems like the nazis didn’t even code, just were around to push D as a rival to Rust as a memory safe language, even if D’s memory safety features are more opt-in in nature (safe by default can be achieved by putting
@safe:just after the module declaration).Thanks, this seems like a very thorough description of the situation. My limited understanding of how coding works and has worked through history is like you say “filled with a lot of jank” regarding memory because it was limited but also because compilers weren’t as efficient as they are today. So it makes sense that there are purists that believes the only good code is the one where programmers are in total control of every bit of memory themselves instead of leaving anything to automation.
I saw someone saying AI “Apparently AI goes hand in hand with wokeism.”
Meanwhile, I’ve seen quite a few complaints from the types this person dismisses as “woke” about AI. Is there more left-leaning approval from AI than I think there is, and more right-leaning disdain for it than I think there is?
Classic. But yeah, that’s how I’m reading the situation as well.
The Phoronix comments are notoriously toxic - I went to the article mostly to witness the incoherent rage in the comments and wasn’t too disappointed.
The problem is you can’t come in swinging to be let into the party, there are processes and tests to be done.
There have been talks and efforts about bringing Rust to Linux for more than a decade. This is not something that has been swift.
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What the actual fuck are you on about? This is a technical argument about whether rust should be allowed innthe Linux kernel and the impact of that decision on devs, you absolute troglodyte.
I assumed they were trying to explain
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So what?
I don’t think there is a “what” - he was just explaining the wokeness.
The explanation came out as aggressive in a way that antagonizes the Asahi maintainers.
Usually people who explain “woke” in such a manner seem to be the types who are actively hostile to LGBTQ+. There are a few LGBTQ+ people who do make it their entire identity instead of one facet of themselves and I understand how annoying that can be, but at this point I’m a lot less likely to believe “this is someone who turns ‘How is the weather today?’ with a stranger into a trans rights discussion” and more likely to believe “this person just hates trans people and is trying to frame the trans person poorly so I resent the trans person and not them.”
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Be less of a TERF.
Sounds like you’ve got 🎶 hangups🎶
Is this a meme or something?
I 100% agree with you, and my apologies if I came off as hateful, I really don’t think I am, but my problems are only with the people who make it their entire identity as you say, they are just exhausting humans in general and I don’t really care how they want to identify or whatever, I would pose the same arguments to people of any persuasion if there was a sizeable number of them doing it.
That’s not a real apology. Be contrite – what will you change in your life, going forward, to be less hateful?
I don’t consider myself hateful in the first place so I’m not aware of anything that needs changing, but I’m open to constructive criticism.
The downvotes are kind of a proof of what you were talking about. So quick to try to censor your response. Did they even catch the question “what makes it woke?”