I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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    Democrats then: “We’ll win without appealing to Arabs in Michigan or anyone who demands we stop funding Israel. Shut them out of the DNC and scold them at every turn. Who cares how they react or that they’re forming PACs like ‘Arabs for Trump.’ We don’t need their votes.”

    Democrats now: “We lost because you STUPID Palestine-lovers wouldn’t vote for us. Your country needed your votes, Gaza needed your votes. It’s actually your fault that we didn’t bother appealing to you.”

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      “We don’t need you! We never needed you! Every one of you is a paid Russian actor! We will win with Chaney and Romney!”

      “GOD PLEASE WE NEEDED YOU! WHY DIDN’T YOU TRUST US?! WE CHASED AFTER THE REPUBLICANS TO MAKE YOU LOVE US!”

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        The more I think about it, the more this sort of gaslighting reminds me of Eve Online shenanigans. Which is fair, after all, users like Jibrish moderate r/eve like they do r/conservative.

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          Part of me wishes I could have a computer good enough to run Eve, but I don’t think I could handle the game and community lore in one whole thing.

          I’ve spent 2200 hours in a game with next to zero good updates in 9 years, my brain can handle focusing on stupid bullshit.

          But man Eve seems… Weird. In a good and bad way.

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            I was excited about eve for maybe a month or two, it’s not worth it. They present this grand game where everything is possible, only to realize it’s only possible if you spend 200$ a month and give up your personal life for it. Just way too many systems designed around a game that exists for monthly subscriptions and micro transactions (nice ship, would be a shame if you couldn’t fly it because you didn’t pay us this month, oh but you can still log in and fly our less efficient ship…). Definitely impressive, but the financial pull really takes the heart out of the game.

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      To the DNC and right wing Dems, its always someone else’s fault why their candidate failed to appeal to the voters they are trying to represent. No accountability for their failure.

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        Never taking responsibility and always blaming others for your failures is basically baked into conservative DNA

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      So basically, still in denial about how Trump and Netanyahu are going to absolutely wipe out Gaza from history now while gaslighting’ing as hard as r/conservative. The overlap with the way Trump voters handle politics is astounding.

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        Gaza had been getting wiped out by Biden supplied bombs for over a year. Trump wouldn’t be able to talking about “rebuilding” gaza now if Biden hadn’t already helped demolish it.

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        What does any of that have to do with what I said? I’m talking about the strategic decision the Democrats made to not make concessions to the people inflamed by the genocide in Gaza. In no way did I deny that Trump is far worse than Kamala/Biden. Pointing out that Kamala/Biden made a conscious decision to not move left on this issue isn’t gaslighting, not that you’re even using the term correctly

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          Americans had one vote, and you guys continue to gaslight what it effectively was, for Trump or against Trump. What it wasn’t was an opportunity to change the system by making a political statement, and now all anyone who has fallen for this rhetoric has done is cemented where it’s heading to now. To change it you would have had to work outside the system. Now, even attempting to do so is far more likely to get you locked up. Congrats.

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            you guys continue to gaslight what it effectively was

            You keep using that word but I’m not sure you know what means.

            What it wasn’t was an opportunity to change the system by making a political statement

            I’m not even advocating for people to vote third party or boycott the election. I’m just making the argument that if a political party wants a group of people’s votes, they should court those people. If they fail to do so, and those people choose not to vote for them, the political party only has itself to blame

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                  No amount of exposure to news will convince people like you of your narrative. But how does your mental lapse even work? First, you gaslight about Democrats, then you claim to be aware of what the GQP is going to do, and now after demonizing or recognizing as bad any of the two choices you have you now try to argue that you have a choice? Consistency is not your forté.