Copying and pasting a current example and changing the names… yep.

Instead of making it worse you could extract it to a new file. Make an interface. Write a unit test. Anything.

The guy wonders why the file is 15k lines long and then describes exactly why.

Yep, I was shocked to see that there is no defacto 1st party framework and during my time searching online I found lots of “use x, use y, no y is dead and none uses it, no x is terrible” which is how I found Avalonia.

I still don’t think there’s a solid Windows gui framework, but I haven’t looked in years.

Sounds like classic junior engineer shit. “Let’s do a big rewrite!” Followed by everything going to shit because they don’t how to create good maintainable software architecture and for whatever reason there weren’t enough senior engineers around to show them the way.

Same shit trying to implement with systems on the backend older than a lot of people using them today I’d imagine

What cracked me up was all that copying blocks of code “because no one knows how anything works”.

That reeks of novices copying code without bothering to read it well, and since this work method is horrendous, no one stays enough to stablish a proper knowledge base.

W H A T

Plenty of UI applications* are this bad

i view it less as spaghetti and more as a rat king

• receive text over the network

• render text into pixels

• mangle pixels through some convoluted Fourier transform to decrease quality

• run even more complex pattern matching algorithm on mangled pixels to guess text represented

Can we add AI somewhere down that line?

Quick OCR scan with minimal clean up, might help some people Edit: Cleanup work and colour coding thanks to ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org

[7:52 18 PM] 🟦 impressive

[7:52:22 PM] 🟩 the windows 10 UI development was the most enormous shitstorm i’ve seen in a while

[7:52:26 PM] 🟥 how hard is it to move some fucking settings menus

[7:52:30 PM] 🟩 many people have pointed out that the UI is upgraded piecemeal

[7:52:34 PM] 🟩 oh god

[7:52:36 PM] 🟩 you have no idea

[7:52:37 PM] 🟩 it’s so hard

[7:52:41 PM] 🟥 whyyyyyyyy

[7:52:43 PM] 🟩 i tried to ADD A DROPDOWN

[7:52.56 PM] 🟩 DO YOU WANT ME TO DESCRIBE IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL WHAT IT TAKES TO ADD A DROPDOWN TO THE CONTROL PANEL?

[7:53:08 PM] 🟥 I find myself overcome with morbid curiosity

[7:53:09 PM] 🟦 is it like javafx and fxml?

[7:53:14 PM] 🟩 hahahahahahaha

[7:53:15 PM] 🟩 hahahahahahahaha

[7:53:17 PM] 🟩 NO

[7:53:42 PM] 🟥 describe to me what it takes to add a dropdown to the control panel.

[7:53:47 PM] 🟥 grabs a pillow and brown paper bag

[7:54:10 PM] 🟦 control panel or settings?

[7:54:14 PM] 🟪 probably some ancient mayan rites

[7:54:18 PM] 🟪 lots of goats

[7:54:33 PM] 🟦 and registry entries

[7:56:54 PM] 🟩 see, first you find the folder that contains the code files for the control panel, and there will be like, 5 of them, each with something like 2000 lines of code, except for one that had 15000 lines of code and I never found out why. Once you find the C++ code file for the specific subsection of the control panel, you must then find the appropriate XAML file that is matched up to this code file, and then search through it to find another dropdown box element you can copy and paste because no one actually knows how any of this works. Then you have to go into a resource file and find a very specific resource ID for your control panel string, and create a new resource ID to me it to. Then, you must find all the relevont C++ code tying the dropdown you copied, and copy and paste all that code, but this time, modify the hooks sa It gets tied to your new dropdown. Then you have to run through 2 seperate specialized compilers to compile the resource filles, and if ANYTHING GOES WRONG, literally ANYTHING, the ONLY ERROR YOU GET BACK is this:

-1 

So after you run around screaming for a DAY because there is no explanation for what the fuck is going on, you give it to your coworker, who discovers that every single number in the resource file must increase by exactly 1, and if there are any holes in those numbers, everything fails completely. Then you can actually finish compiling the special compiler stuff and start bulding the actual codebase through a specialized plugin built for visual studio for the sole purpose of dealing with this fucking codebase, and then you might actually get something to compile.

[7:57.42 PM] 🟥 WHAT

[7:57:43 PM] 🟥 THE

[7:57:46 PM] 🟥 FUCKING

[7:57:47 PM] 🟥 FUCK

[7:57 59 PM] 🟩 THAT

[7:58:04 PM] 🟩 is how you add a dropdown

[7:58:05 PM] 🟫 >microcucks
==CENSORED==

[7:58:07 PM] 🟩 to the control panel

[7:58:08 PM] 🟩 in windows

[7:58:20 PM] 🟩 and people ask me why I quit that job

[7:58:36 PM] 🟥 how old is this “specialized plugin”

[7:58:39 PM] 🟦 how do they live?

[7:58:46 PM] 🟩 from what i can tell about 7-8 years, i think

[7:58:59 PM] 🟦 do you have to be dead inside to write code for Windows?

[7:59:02 PM] 🟫 Can we just compile this kind of shit into a doc to then send to zefrank so he can do a vid on True Facts About Microsoft

[7:59:04 PM] 🟩 I think it was based even older IDE they were using so it gets complicated

[7:59:14 PM] 🟩>🟦 Yes.

[7:59:22 PM] 🟦 rip

[7:59:36 PM] 🟩 again it is hard for me to even explain how any of htis works, because most people there don’t even know how it works

[7:59:39 PM] 🟥 microsoft needs to make like mojang and just haul ass to an entirely new codebase

[7:59:43 PM] 🟦 they’re bootstrapping shit on more shit

[7:59:44 PM] 🟥 if mojang can say “fuck the modders”

[7:59:51 PM] 🟥 then microsoft can say “fuck the software devs” just as well.

[7:59:55 PM] 🟩 See, you don’t understand, they keep trying and failing miserably

[8:00:02 PM] 🟩 For example, lets take the build system

[8:00:04 PM] 🟨 Isn’t the legacy control panel codebase deprecated tho?

[8:00:09 PM] 🟨 Because of Settings.appx

[8:00:21 PM] 🟥 “deprecated” is just a fucking label basically

[8:00:27 PM] 🟥 shit still uh

[8:00:30 PM] 🟩 Yes, that was the new control panel

[8:00:30 PM] 🟥 well it doesn’t “work”

[8:00:34 PM] 🟥 and it’s not “usable”

[8:00:34 PM] 🟩 that was the “new” codebase

[8:00:35 PM] 🟥 but it’s

[8:00:36 PM] 🟨 Oh my

[8:00:37 PM] 🟩 that’s why it was in XAML

[8:00:37 PM] 🟦 means “you shouldnt use it but if you do it’s all k”

[8:00:38 PM] 🟥 accessible…?

[8:00:45 PM] 🟩 you think i’m describing legacy code here

[8:00:46 PM] 🟩 i’m not

[8:00:53 PM] 🟩 … this is me trying to add a dropdown to the windows 10 NEW CONTROL PANEL**___**

Man, the Device and Printers one is long as hell lol

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The thing with the Control panel (speaking as a former Windows user up until a year ago) was its consistency. Since the Aero era things have remained in more-or-less the same place. Sure, some things got added, some renamed and some deleted, but the basics I needed (mouse sensitivity, battery settings on the laptop, the Add/remove software page, search indexing, printers) has all stayed in more or less the same place.

Then 10 happened. And sure, Settings was great for a lot of stuff. But when Settings didn’t have the option (or I lost my nerves trying to find it), Control Panel was the way to go. I’d find what I needed pretty much instantly, since was always one of the same 20-odd things I need.

Even then, everything just seemed faster in Control panel. Was it more responsive? Were there less animations? Were more things crammed into one screen so less clicking and scrolling was involved? Is it just my imagination?

Honestly, I don’t know.

By the time I got used to the new Settings app, one of the big Windows 10 makeovers happened and jumbled up about 10% of Settings. Objectively not much, but just enough to irritate.

And now with 11, they not only made Settings unrecognizable, they also cranked the spyware up to, well, 11. And there’s no Control Panel to default on when in doubt (or fuming with rage).

All in all, while Control Panel wan’t what kept me on Windows, 11 losing it did ease the transition, since it meant having to learn a new way of doing things either way. Might as well make it a way that hopefully won’t change once a random design exec decides “this is ugly and it has to go”.

Honestly, KDE Plasma’s Settings are where it’s at. It’s right between the functional and informstional density of Control panel and the simplicity, visual appeal and saner structure of Settings. Shame it uses Qt, which from what I hear, is god-awful as far as UI toolchains go.

Keep them memorized. The old tools just work, even if MICROS~1 tries to hide them and replace them with useless crap apps.