I approve but when the fuck did I post that lmao

I already covered this and said her explanation made zero sense.

So, just full on what was described. Remarkable.

That response from her is… nonsense.

The comic had came with additional comments and context on my Patreon page

Then why didn’t she share that? The whole response from her is “This is a ridiculous claim to make against me. There exists proof. I will not share it. I’m getting dox’d and people are giving me death threats.”

Another comment explains why.

once I saw it was getting leaked and purposely taken out of context, I decided to delete it because I didnt want to give them ammo, which then of course made me look like I was “hiding something” lol you cant really win.

Which makes very little sense. The thing is already out there, you know everyone has seen it, so you delete it and all the context proving its innocence to prevent them from getting ammo? And still after explaining that, she doesn’t explain the context that would make it better.

Her whole explanation is just “I’m getting backlash and feel terrible for it, trust me that there was a context that made it better but I’m not going to tell you.” She has every ability to provide context. She made multiple comments insisting she had context. None was provided. But I’m supposed to just take her at her word after she has DCMA’d people for making edits of her comments and leverages an entire moderator team on reddit to silence criticism? Why?

Which one is it, douchebag?

That. Now, goodbye. Not bothering to engage with you after that.

So, just full on what was described. Remarkable.

That response from her is… nonsense.

The comic had came with additional comments and context on my Patreon page

Then why didn’t she share that? The whole response from her is “This is a ridiculous claim to make against me. There exists proof. I will not share it. I’m getting dox’d and people are giving me death threats.”

Another comment explains why.

once I saw it was getting leaked and purposely taken out of context, I decided to delete it because I didnt want to give them ammo, which then of course made me look like I was “hiding something” lol you cant really win.

Which makes very little sense. The thing is already out there, you know everyone has seen it, so you delete it and all the context proving its innocence to prevent them from getting ammo? And still after explaining that, she doesn’t explain the context that would make it better.

Her whole explanation is just “I’m getting backlash and feel terrible for it, trust me that there was a context that made it better but I’m not going to tell you.”

Of course. I should have posted it at first, that is completely on me. I was distracted. My bad.

Warning: Reddit link. No one really does. She posted it on her Patreon and has been going after anyone who shared it because you needed to pay to see it. You could probably find it, I haven’t. But the whole thread is littered with descriptions of it and PizzaCakes own explanation left a fucking lot to be desired.

Ah okay, fair lmao

PizzaCake posting this comic is pretty fucking wild when, a year ago, she created two comics of her straight up raping someone who was criticizing her…

Edit: It’s a reddit link, but see for yourself. If you don’t want to click it (understandable)

Ok so for all those asking for context (sadly can’t send the comic, it’s paid so that’d be copyright offense) -

The comic somehow got my way. It explicitly shows her, having a sex with a man who has no control of the situation, asking him if he still hates her now (after the sex he has no say in). He says no, mentions it’s been several hours since this started, and also asks to ejaculate. She replies that she will let him do so tomorrow, and he is horrified.

The panels themselves don’t seem violent, and actually resemble fairly innocent sex involving some bondage. The man is not her husband, nor a character I can recognize. The assumption it’s one of the commenters might be about the “hate me” comment.

The implication of the text, however, is clearly “now that I forced myself upon you, you love me?” “yes, now that you’ve raped me I do. Let me cum and go” “nah fam, you’re stuck here for at least another day. you don’t get bodily autonomy”

It seems to be purposely designed to be forgivable if you don’t think about it. It’s short, shows more skin than text, and the text can be dismissed if the reader doesn’t think about the fact they’ve been having sex for hours where they weren’t friends and the weak party hated the aggressor for these hours.

Edit: turns out there’s a continuation comic, with MC holding Guy’s member, he has ejaculated and his groin and her hand are soiled. She asks “oh dear… did I ruin your orgasm?” with a seemingly unconcerned or uninterested face. The caption also reads “poor guy (not really, he deserved it)”. So, a bit more of the same warning signs that aren’t full-blown offenses but might indicate them. Though “he deserved it” is not exactly helping.

Her explanation of the comic also provides no explanation. She claims that there is context that would justify that comic and prove everyone wrong. She doesn’t say what it is. She merely says she deleted the original post because it would have given people more ammo. This is the same artist who has routinely threatened moderators and done DCMA takedown requests over edits of her comics. She acts in bad faith so when a comic like this appears, and she claims that she is totally exonerated by some context she refuses to provide… what exactly am I supposed to think?

You can come to your own conclusion. I did mine. That she is a disgusting hypocrite. It’s no comment on the comic itself, just who she is as a person.

regularly links back to a eugenicist community

See, this is shit I’m talking about. You’re making a claim against the community that could be easily backed up with a link. You didn’t bother. It’s just “take my word”.

Sorry it hasn’t made a post that made their intention quite as clear in the two days where the only poster was copying posts over from reddit.

Then, according to that, you could have easily grabbed links from the community but instead grabbed them from reddit? YOU are the one making this claim. It is on YOU to back it up. You do not get to act like the victim and act upset that someone has asked you to provide literally anything backing up your claim. My one stipulation was that it has to be from this community. That is it. For whatever reason, you’re refusing and expecting everyone else to dig through and do the work to prove your claim. That isn’t how this works.

How is the subreddit that spawned the community, that it links back to, that it’s named after unrelated???

Because it has different users and mods and is on a different website. The behavior of those users does not immediately equate to guilt of the users of the community on Lemmy. Moreover, you linked to several posts from reddit. If your claim is that they’re automatically posted to lemmy, then why didn’t you use the Lemmy posts? This is another example of bad faith.

How is the community that the guy opened after leaving lemmy.ml unrelated to this??

Because Lemmy is literally designed to allow for different communities on different instances. I have no idea what that has to do with this at all.

The dude was acting all nice posting about his ancient heritage under a turanist flag. And I notice it so I thought I’d say something. Probably won’t happen again though.

Yet again. Got any links of this community actually doing that? You have not done so.

What’s the concern? Genuinely, why is that concerning?

Because you cannot use solely the actions of another community to cast blame on this one without using evidence from this community to back your claims. I’m running out of ways to say the exact same thing.

I’m not even refusing to do so for the lemmy community

Yes. You are. You said:

I’ve decided not to go further with digging into the history of it all.

Is this not a refusal?

But even if, what are you so concerned about??

I’m concerned about someone who makes a claim about a group, provides zero evidence of this group doing what they claim, and then expecting everyone to take them at face value. That isn’t how this works.

Nooooo way is going to reddit and grabbing a few links the same effort as writing an essay about this “turkic” movement, how it ties back to the ottoman empire, how it is used to spread anticommunism and rally right-wingers internationally

I did not ask for an essay. I asked for literally any evidence that this community is doing what you’re claiming. You are the one inventing an essay. This is another example of bad faith. I have asked for something extremely simple, literally any links, and you are changing the standard of proof and getting angry about it.

And seeing your standard of proof I’d have to explain everything in excruciating detail and pull up the original sources.

My standard of proof is links from this community that back up what you’re claiming. That’s it. I’ve said this now several times in several comments. It’s really not that difficult.

Its the one user, that is most likely also active on that sub, a mod for all I know, and is just literally copying posts over.

Then link to a problematic post.

which I’ve just noticed has a göktürk sign

The Cyberpunk-y image? Or the flag?

No you aren’t, don’t do that shit with me.

You’re wrong. I am. I do like knowing more information and learning about this. Everything you’ve posted is useful information. You just haven’t done the one thing of linking it to actions of this community. You’re making a claim against groups as a whole but your initial post said:

that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy

All I am asking is for you to provide literally any links of that community behaving in such a way. That’s it. And you’re refusing to do so.

then pretend like all you want is a completely reasonable effort post.

No, all I want are links to the community behaving in a way that you’re claiming. That’s significantly less effort than the comment you just typed.

you all make it look like I’m the unreasonable one for posting about an issue that isn’t as clear-cut as to allow you all to make an instant decision.

You all.

If everyone here is reacting in the same way then the problem isn’t us.

It’s he/him, my pronouns are RIGHT‌ THERE.

That is completely on me. I wasn’t sure of pronouns and defaulted to they/them. I honestly have no fucking idea how I missed the pronouns in the name. Genuinely sorry about that and I’ll edit the comments.

Why do you think I made this post?

No clue. I do not presume to understand everyone.

What’s baffling to me is that you’re so ready to think bad faith

Because I have asked you for the bare minimum of a single link from this community that backs your claim and you outright refused.

It really isn’t that baffling. I have asked, repeatedly, for literally any evidence of this community being guilty of what you claim. Any comments. Any posts. Anything. You have not. You have, however, added links to reddit and other websites. You are arguing against Turanism. I am arguing against your claim of THIS COMMUNITY being what you claim. You simply have not even attempted to reach the bare minimum bar of evidence. What else am I supposed to think?

Tricorder lol

however, from my perspective you are overly broadly painting all turkic people with the brush you got in a turkish supremacist ethnostate. when i went through that comm before i was specifically looking for examples of promoting ethnostates and i couldn’t find any (though i did just browse the first page). if you have any examples that cross a line please let us know.

That is my entire problem with this post. I keep asking for evidence of this specific community being guilty of what he’s claiming. They’re refusing.

I’ve decided not to go further with digging into the history of it all.

That is a refusal to provide evidence of his claims.

Now he’s saying that it would be too hard because they’d have to do a bunch of research and what have you. Why? He just went through the reddit posts and grabbed a few links (see other comments in this thread) that supported his point of view so clearly he doesn’t need to actually do the research he’s claiming. Why is it that links of problematic posts from reddit are fine in making this claim about a lemmy community but asking for links from the lemmy community is so difficult it needs to have research and an effort post?

This post was made with obscene levels of bad faith. No supporting evidence, nothing to point at other than external sites, all while making the claim that this lemmy community was guilty of what he’s saying. I am baffled as to why this user has not had their post removed at the bare minimum.

In short, no. He’s using links from reddit and saying that somehow means that this community is a fascist op due to it. They say that its too much effort to look for it in the community yet an hour later posted a slew of shit from reddit. This is now multiple weeks of a user having a post on /0 making a pretty hostile claim about ethnic groups using anecdotal evidence and it hasn’t been removed. He just keep saying “I’ve been busy” and “I’ll come up with something” followed by a slew of reddit nonsense.

Not to mention that his comments seem to be painting the groups as monolithic and all sharing a uniquely ‘aryan’ goal, as he keeps suggesting, but that in and of itself is xenophobic as hell. Like seriously…

I’m sorry but what the fuck.

I asked for evidence of this community being guilty of what you’re claiming. I did it the first time, you answered everything other than that. I reiterated with

Because everything you said is, more or less, disagreement. That’s perfectly fine and acceptable, that’s the world. But you’re making a very large claim and have yet to provide any evidence that the community is what you’re claiming.

You responded with

I’ve decided not to go further with digging into the history of it all.

So you’re making a severe accusation against a community and refusing to provide any supporting materials of the behavior from the community you’re accusing of this behavior. Then an hour later…

I should have just went to the reddit sub tbh. I don’t know if it gets clearer than this.

This is not Reddit. I asked for evidence of your claim that the community you claimed of being a fascist op was in fact a fascist op. You outright said you have personally decided not to dig into the history of it all. An hour later you dug into the history of it all from a different website and posted it as a gotcha.

I guess they sanitize it for the lemmy audience?

You haven’t posted a single thing from lemmy that supports your claim. You have, however, posted links from another and unrelated website in claiming that that somehow bolsters your claim of fascism on this community. The thing that is concerning to me is that you seem to have zero problem going to this other website and looking for evidence of your claims but you refuse to do so here on Lemmy.

But unpacking it all would be a big effortpost just in order to get the copy of an already dead comm deleted and I have enough stress and stuff to research as it is.

You literally just did that same effort in going to reddit, finding multiple posts, taking screenshots and making a comment. All to bolster your claim that the lemmy community is guilty of these things. Yet… its too much effort to find this behavior on the community you’re actually accusing of said behavior?

You keep avoiding the one question that I keep asking. You made a claim about this specific community. Do you have any evidence for this behavior? You are now grabbing ‘evidence’ from another website as if that stands for this community. Different website, different users, different mods, different posts. None of which is valid evidence to make a claim against another website.

So. Again.

You answered a lot, and I’m thankful for that. But you didn’t answer the major one. You’re accusing this entire community of being a fascist op.

Do you have literally any evidence of this type of behavior on that community?

Because everything you said is, more or less, disagreement. That’s perfectly fine and acceptable, that’s the world. But you’re making a very large claim and have yet to provide any evidence that the community is what you’re claiming.

Confused as to why a straight up xenophobic attack on an ethnic group is not being taken down. They’ve provided zero evidence and haven’t backed up his claims in well over a week.

actually yes they are

No. They’re not. This is a website where modlogs show removed comments and posts and where links/screenshots are capable. Merely saying “I saw this” is not evidence.

Like the one you’re fighting against the left right now

By asking for links or screenshots that are entirely capable of being attained?

I’m not going to repeat ourselves

Nothing said here has made sense or had any bearing on reality to begin with so go for it. I won’t be engaging in anything you have to say in future anyway. Blocked.

Civility weaponization is a common tactic of theirs

Yet again, I am begging someone to link to a single thing instead of just claiming stuff.

“Anecdotal” claims are good enough actually

No, they’re not, actually. Not when you’re making an entire claim about an ethnic group and the community about them. It is, in fact, wildly xenophobic.

You are not the person making this claim and are not aiding in their claims. I have no interest in continuing this conversation with you.

No. Anecdotal claims are not evidence. I also asked for any evidence of this community doing this specifically and literally none was ever provided. This is not due to my standard of evidence.

Who is sharing porn with their homie?

Gay people. I have so much porn I’ve gotten from friends and sent to friends lol

Way to just scream “I’m a sexist” at the top of your lungs

Red is Language Studies and Green is math, you heathen.