Another reason to never listen to anything recommended by spotify
deeply deeply twisted company
they think of music simply as ‘content’. cynical, disgusting.
Yeah it’s unfair.
The music industry is famous for being run on love and passion, and not advertising manufactured hits.
Uh, music is content. Some music has more heart than others, but I wouldn’t say that Target is disgusting because they sell cheap prints and wall art.
They also max out at 192kbps. Despicable.
They use 320 ogg for Premium’s Very High Quality, which is awesome, arguably audiophile quality and near indiscernable compared to FLAC (lossless). Ogg is much better / more compact than mp3 so you can expect much better quality at the same bitrate. It is 96 kbps ogg for Normal Quality, and 160 ogg for High Quality, both accessible in the Free tier. I am a musician of twenty years with good ears and sound equipment, years of experience listening to FLAC and converting to mp3 vs ogg at various bitrates to test, I think they’re doing a great job on this front.
Payola by any other name.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Muh-muh-muh myyyyy payola!
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This is payola in the modern age. If a record company gives enough money to Spotify, they’ll promote the hell out of it and guarantee it’s a hit. So the record labels with the most money are the only ones that can make serious money.
Does Spotify disclose that this is paid promotional content in the app?
It’s shown right there in the thumbnail. The text reads “Sponsored recommendation”. After some initial conditioning, it seems easy to ignore it after a while, just like the first few Google results or other ads seen across the web.
Tidal crew. We don’t have podcasts either. It’s nice.
Tidal is way nicer than Spotify. No bullshit promos for right-wing dipshit podcasts or shitty playlist payola schemes. It’s like what Spotify originally claimed to be; an agnostic platform for streaming music.
I’ve been paying for Spotify for years. I’ve never heard a single promo for a single right wing dipshit podcast.
They display visual promos on the front page of the app, even for paid customers. For over a year, Joe Rogan graphics were slathered all over the front of the app.
I don’t recall ever seeing one, and even so who cares?
I care. Promoting a conservative dipshit is harmful and dangerous. I expect that kind of grotesque behavior on Fox News, not on a non-political app.
They gave $50 million to Joe Rogan for his podcast. Imagine how good the player could have been if they had given that money to developers instead. It could have went to the musicians as well.
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I switched to Tidal over a year ago. I thought I would miss SOMETHING about Spotify after 1 year but there’s nothing. The curated playlists are better, my recommended tracks are better, the UI is cleaner and easier to navigate. I actually learn about new genres and musicians that I otherwise wouldn’t have been exposed to. It’s the best.
Spotify enshitification any%
If it’s anything like any other social media site that that let’s you pay to promote, they will do it once…
And then half ass it a second time…
Then they just tell you they are, but you won’t see any more people listening to it.
Do folks reminiscing of the good old days of physical media not remember how much label promotion media was packed with media? I have records where the sleeve is basically an order catalog for other artists on the label. I don’t see Spotify promoting albums on a discover feed to really be that much different than the marketing old except adopted for a digital interface and streaming economic structure.
Meh I moved back to the old trick where I torrent download bulk music and store it on my phone. No internet no problem.
I never stopped
That sounds great in theory, but the thing I haven’t been able to replace is seamless discovery.
I would have trouble finding new music without torrent sites. The trackers I use have a web of related artists at the bottom of the artist page.
The users add to the community through comments, uploads, suggestions, organizing, et cetera.
Using a tracker has helped me discover music that ain’t even on Spotify. It’s the tits!
There’s many blogs where you can discover music and unlike algorithms you get more diversity and nice descriptions. If you listen to a lot of hip hop it’s even easier by looking the featured artists
Spotify does a phenomenal job of learning what I like and auto-playing a mix of things after I finish a song or album that aren’t just in the same genre but are also based on my taste profile that’s developed over hours of listening habits – all with zero effort on my part. And I can still discover things via blogs too.
There just isn’t anything like that available in the self-hosted world yet, unfortunately.
Lol sure. I discover all my songs from torrents.
What?
Download a torrent such as this
and then I listen and keep the one’s that I like kinda like Spotify discover lol but oldskool
That sounds cumbersome as hell.
I want my song to end and my player to start automatically playing similar songs that are also curated based on my larger listening habits.
That’s why they take your money and data to keep a beautiful profile on you and sell it to 3rd party. You pay a premium for your liking both by money and data…Enjoy mate!
Yup, I’m paying for a data driven service that isn’t possible to host myself. Good job piecing that one together, champ!
I feel like such a boomer for doing this as well, but I’ve had precisely 0 issues when my internet goes down or signal gets weak. No buffering, no problem.
Been doing it since high school when I had the first-gen iPod Shuffle. Good times
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Love it when I try to turn off shuffle and it takes 2 minutes to fail to enable “enhanced” shuffle first because Im out of cell reception.
It is still trying to connect to the bloody internet starting up, taking minutes as where i live connectivity is not great on a commute. Makes me turn flight mode on. RAGE!!!
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Yes, but it also switches off after some time, and I tend to like exploring new music, so have to use either switches frequently anyway. Still raging!
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Lol nobody’s stopping you from paying with your money and data also nothing comes for free in this world unless you’re torrenting. Long live pirates !!
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Ha good one! Never heard of a billionaire artist. Its Always billion dollar companies.
JayZ, Rhianna, Paul McCartney, PDiddy, Jimmy Buffett are all Billionaires
And thats definitely because of Spotify yeah? And not their other business like clothing, perfume etc.
These goal posts on wheels?
You can download the songs automatically or manually on Spotify if you wish. You can set it so it can only download the song when you are using wifi. You can also turn on being only able to listen to songs you have downloaded when you are not using wifi. It is very seamless. I am lucky and live in a country with dirty cheap data plans so I don’t even care for that. But it is nice it exists when I travel outside of my country.
And pirating isn’t free, you and everyone who makes it possible for you to torrent is paying with your and their time and you are also paying for the risk for getting infected. But you do you I just wanted to correct the “free” part of your statement.
There’s tools to rip from spotify and it’s risk free. I don’t see any pain in having music locally and many advantages like using better music players, control over the metadata, no chance of songs being inaccessible and no 10k local songs limit like spotify have
Lol sure. and you’re paying with your hard earned money and giving them your data so that they can profile you. Use a dns logger and see how many trackers are on Spotify even when you pay. Lol Pirating isn’t free but at least I am not being profiled. Also, getting infected is for people who dont know what theyre doing. Such people always say stuff Like only install apps from “playstore”. Never use any other OS apart from Windows and apple etc. Anyways you do you mate and be happy.
I earn money so I don’t need to use my freetime for things I don’t want to do. For example I dont make my own fabric and sew my own clothes I buy them. So it is a trading, time (hopefully fun time) for money (work) and money for time (services and things). Money is pointless if I don’t use it. Why spend time working if I won’t use it to buy time? And sure Spotify profile me so they can recommend music that I may like and I am fine with that because that is how I find new music anyways. I don’t use services like Google because of their tracking and always try to use a browser instead of apps if possible so I can use ublocker. It is always a priority thing you know. I could live outside the society (off grid, no tech) if I don’t want to be tracked or I can let some services track me because it is a lot more convenient for me in the grand scale of things.
Sure, being infected may not be a big risk for some I am only generalizing it. I am not saying you will be infected because I don’t know what sources you use I only said it is a risk. There are always malicious ppl and even trusted sources can be compromised and trusted companies with payed services. Just like it is a risk to jaywalk but it doesn’t mean you always risk your life doing so. But some are too naive like you said.
Just to add I am not trying to convince you, I just like discussing topics and different perspectives. I wish you happiness too.
I hate Spotify so much, but every other attempt I’ve made to move away failed.
I used tidal for a bit, but it seems to break frequently from any privacy tooling I would use. I know they give artist a better payout, but if you don’t work with my privacy method, it’s a non starter.
I just download or copy all the music/audio I want to have, and put that all on my phone. Then I listen to it anywhere, anytime.
500GB SDcard is <100$
Yeah, that’s a great option, but then the artist who created the music gets definitely zero for their product. It’s not like Spotify really pays fairly for the product, so it’s become pretty similar. The money grabbing Spotify does sounds like it’ll pump up business (making artists pay to promote) but I would be so hugely behind a streaming app that actually paid their artists fairly and promoted new unknown stuff, just because. The novelty alone!
Bandcamp maybe?
Support artists by buying their merch, not their music
I just buy the music I want from bandcamp or the band. I can organize and rip whatever and keep it backed up incredibly simply.
Then I put it on whatever device I want to use. Do you remember album/tape/CD collections. It’s like that but digital. The tech gives us all so much more control, it seems a shame to stream from a source like Spotify. Just stream your stuff to yourself, or put it on a tiny piece of silicon.
You can use Spotify like the radio I guess. A really creepy, ultra-payola-driven radio. Why not own some digital media, though? Like pay some artists directly and listen to their content digitally.
Who the fuck really needs Spotify to distribute their content? Maybe shitbags that NEED a corporate entertainment structure to survive. Fuck em.
Spotify isn’t genius. They just created a cultural choke point and they are gonna milk it like a starving baby cow. Having the investment and cooperation of the big labels allows and maintains this lucrative exploitation of creative labor.
Edit: There’s an episode of the Nerdist when some jerk from Linking park was on. He talked about getting royally fucked by the label they were on. That terrible band could not have been drilled into the culture without major label support and payola. They deserve nothing because they are a sacchrine confection of the corporate music industry. They are a golem of mass-market, general-purpose angst. They only positive thing from linking park was the singers suicide.
How did you get for less than 100$?
I switched to Qobuz. Mainly for sound quality, but they also pay artists more than ten times as much and they have pretty neat long read articles and deep dives, which is a way more satisfying way to discover new stuff. It’s pretty great.
Another reason to just use local player. Just buy physical albums and rip them, buy the actual digital files (from eg Bandcamp) or if you can’t afford it right now, I’m sure you can find the files floating around the internet. Just make sure to buy the physical album when you can afford it.
Artists will receive far more support from buying their music this way rather than through Spotify which pays artists very little and the algorithm is against mid and small size creators.
You’ll also get higher quality files. Spotify can’t play CD quality music. Apple and Tidal make a massive deal about being able to play “high quality audio”, but it’s a lot less impressive when you find out they really just meant CD quality, which had been around for almost 30 years. A real 24 bit flac takes longer to download than to play. Real high quality audio will never be streamed.
“A real 24bit flac takes longer to download than play” if you have dialup maybe. I don’t think you can even legally call it “broadband” if your internet is slower than a flac bitrate
Downloads depend on the server as well as the client. I can say for certain that I’ve never been able to download a 24 bit flac album in less than 30 minutes, usually over an hour.
I wouldn’t have found like half the music I listen to now if I was only buying releases I already knew about.
Yes, stresming service music players are trash compared to local music players. I use musicolet as a player that have the cool feature of switching between playlist without losing tje position of the latest player songs
What local players do you use? I haven’t found a good one on Windows so I just use the default (formerly Groove Music).
I like Audacious. The UI does not look modern but that’s not something I care about. It has every feature I need, it’s lightweight and does not have any telemetry.
I’m still using an older version of Winamp. It supports pretty much every audio format ever, visualizations, and has an excellent media library format. There is a new Winamp, but I haven’t tried it.
I also use VLC, which supports fewer formats, but supports all the major ones out of the box and is open source and under active development.
Wtf im a paying costumer &@#)!!!
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Imagine paying for spotify to get rid of ads to end up having ads in another form
I expect “ads” for new music on the music listening and discovery platform.
Y’all are making it seem like these are nordvpn ads on your homepage. Fuck off with this disingenuous comparison
I don’t expect any ads of any form when you pay for a service. The artists who pay the most will shows on the homepage, I don’t understand how any listener would like that
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By homepage I was referring to the main screen that Spotify loads into, the default view of all your playlists, recommended lists, etc.
And I expect all the same things you expect for my regular browsing behavior. But on the music discovery and listening platform I don’t get pissy when new music is shown to me, even if it’s unrelated to my tastes.
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At least creators doesn’t pay to be on the front page
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Even when you are premium?
Oh, i remember the drake takeover from 5 years ago.
Never used Spotify. I have my own methods of finding new music and once I have something I want to listen to I usually just type “[artist] [album] full album” on YouTube and if it’s not there (which is very rare) it’s usually on Bandcamp or SoundCloud. I do pay artists though, I buy their music if I enjoy it and always make sure to see them if they are in town, I think it’s healthier than a subscription service model.
I’ll stick to InnerTune. Got rid of Spotify over a month ago, don’t miss it at all.
