• Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    At my school so many high achievers would use summer school to get ahead that they had to shut it down. Those nerds were causing the actually remediate kids to feel ashamed and othered, so they would all drop out after a week or two. Year after year. I’m salty about it.

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      Hot take, schools should be geared towards accommodating the smartest kids, not the dumbest. There should still be safety nets like summer school, but the smartest kids should be able to learn as much as they want to

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        My hot take: schools should be geared to everyone. Have advanced classes, normal classes, and below average classes. The teacher can teach according to each class. Everyone should get an education.

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          Even calling those students Below Average others them. They probably have other forms of intelligence. Or they just don’t learn well in the one exact neurotypical classroom that we offer in the US. Or maybe they have issues at home, economic issues, or social issues that are keeping them from succeeding in school. Kids in other top countries are never asked to worry about these things.

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            Whatever you want to call it, it won’t be the normal class. You have to teach according to ones ability.

            As for the other factors: I’m in Canada, and yes we do have to worry about all that.

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          It takes immense resources and more teachers, which is hardly achievable of you want it across the whole country

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            … it takes the exact same amount of resources and teachers. You already have multiple classes (unless you are in a tiny school), split them up.

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              You forget that quantity of “Super clever” pupils is not equal to the quantity of the rest.

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                …it’s not hard to fill out an advanced class. And if the school is tiny, they don’t get one. This is pretty standard stuff.

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        My kid now has to sit in classrooms where kids scream, threaten people, throw things, and break shit. The teacher has had to evacuate the classroom until these kids calm down. Barely any teaching or learning takes place because these poor teachers are far too busy trying to manage these students.

        My kid went from top student in every single grade to an anxious wreck because he now has to deal with kids who threaten to hurt both other students and themselves.

        I’m very much for “education for all”, but this ain’t the way to do it. It’s a fuckin’ mess out there. I don’t envy the kids of today in the slightest.

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          That’s horrible. Yeah, I think the misbehaving kids would fit better elsewhere. I didn’t have such disruptive issues in my school, more that the students of retired engineers took all of the fucking opportunities. Our AP classes were full, and the game to getting in was not about grades. And when I was a young child I kndw why: George Bush’s No Child Left Behind laws. And I think that crap is still in effect, as public schools continue to fail American kids.

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          Thermonuclear take; the kind of work it takes to perform well in school is exactly the kind of work society is preparing kids for, so good school performance can still be a strong indication they’ll be good employees.

          Wether or not our society and schools are right for that is a much more interesting topic of debate. Kids who crush it in school (and continue to crush it all the way through college) will go on to make their companies loads of money for cheap.

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          I think it does, but this works only one way: a smart kid will always do well in school, but a kid who does well doesn’t necessarily have to be smart

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        Those smartest kids can go test out of everything with AP, take SAT courses privately or for free. Those kids who need more helo have no fucking other chance. Experiences like these tilt them away from education entirely.

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      My school had two separate classes for that exact reason. Remedial summer school was Tuesday Thursday for a little bit longer, and get ahead summer school was Monday Wednesday Friday

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      That’s interesting. At my school, summer school was only for the remedial students and there was a stigma involved with it. Basically nobody wanted to do summer school and most kids would do anything to avoid it.

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        Um, yeah? Teaching is not about awarding those who game the system the best. It’s all about making sure that the “lowest common denominator” gets every chance to succeed.

        It’s not a fucking leaderboard.

        Signed,

        a salty fucking teacher who will defend those students to the end.

        Edit: I’m gonna keep going on this because it’s a subject that pisses me off to no end.

        I live in a place where the rich kids can afford to tutor during the summer, and some take extra classes to “get ahead” of the school year. And you know what those kids do?

        They sit in the classes, bored, because someone paid for them to do all this stuff early.

        And I’m not saying that learning extracurriculars is bad, in fact, it’s wonderful! But if you paid somewhere to just take the same math class that you would have done anyway, well congrats. You got nothing. You beat Mario before everyone else.

        And even that would be fine, except the attitude that comes from them – some as early as 6 years old! – is that these fucking “remedials” are slowing them down, and they are “smart” all while a mountain of money and privilege supports them.

        And do those kids feel like they should help their fellow students learn? No! They just punch down harder, because no one in their families teaches them that learning is cooperative effort. Just get to the top of that fucking leaderboard and stay there at all costs. From fucking kindergarten onwards!

        Thanks for coming to my fucking ted talk.

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          Why take these summer breaks in the first place? Are your kids needed on the farms still? Or is it because salty teachers are underpaid and having summer breaks is th only way the US can convince them to work. Where is the data that summer breaks help any students at all? Poor or rich smart or lazy? What about the kids that don’t get lunches when they are not in school? Summer slumping is a detriment to all, to society. I don’t see many teachers willing to stand up to that as the underlying issue, and I don’t see how it’s fair to blame those that are either willing or able to fight it independently with additional learning. They are not the ones to aim your laser at.

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            I don’t live in the US. I’m adequately paid, and the summers are short where I live. Take your strawmen and throw them back whatever hole you dug them out of.

            I can’t speak about US problems, but what I’m talking about is education in general. I’ll give you an example: I was teaching some students to read the other day, about 8 years old. One student clearly has the leg up on the other one. She goes to after school programs, short summer programs, the works. She can read about two levels higher than her classmate. Hey, that’s great. And actually when reading is concerned, I’m happy that she can do that. But what happens is that when I need to slow down and actually teach that other student to read (at a level that’s perfectly fine for her age), she groans, she gets impatient, she makes fun of that kid. And what happens to that other kid? She feels stupid, she feels inadequate.

            And ok, you might say, an intensive reading program is good! But one thing it does not teach these kids is that they are not better than anyone else, and even if they learn more, they need to also learn to be respectful to their fellow students.

            Tl;dr we’re teaching them to be competitive, not good human beings

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        I am not pandering but sincerely discussing a social problem I experienced in my, yes, American high school.

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    I’m a teacher in training. We had reading “homework” over the summer for our incoming students. Their families were instructed that if their child read every day (15-30 minutes or so), and they kept track of it on a chart we sent them, they would win prizes when they came to school. I think it was something like a pizza party if they read a certain number of days. It wasn’t mandatory and there was no punishment for not doing it. I thought it was a great idea.

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      My school moves everyone up after the GCSEs and A-Levels are over, which is in May or June. The holiday starts in July.

      As far as I know, we’re the only school in Britain that does this.

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          Instead of moving up to the next year (the British term for “grade”) in September, we do it after the exams (finals) are over, which is in June.

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              Yeah, but high school starts at year 9 (age 13-14), so:

              (Y9 doesn’t exist for a bit)

              Y9 --> Y10

              Y10 --> Y11

              Y11 --> (Either leave school or just take a few extra weeks off)

              Y12 --> Y13

              Y13 --> (Leave school*)

              This is done because, after the exams, the Y11s and Y13s have no content left to learn, so there’s no point in keeping them at school.

              Also, as I said, my school is strange for doing this. Most, if not all, other British high schools are normal.

              *Unless you get held back, stay on for another year, or go to university

              TL;DR: Yeah, pretty much

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                  North East England. Around here, it goes like this:

                  • 4-8 years: First School
                  • 8-13 years: Middle School
                  • 13-16 years: High School

                  then

                  • 16-18 years: College or Sixth Form
                  • 18+: University, etc.

                  You are probably used to the two-tier system, with a primary school and a secondary school. Around here, though, we mainly have a three-tier system.