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“Will cost America”
Haha no. It will not cost working class people a cent. Which is most of America.
Well you know capitalism. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.
When corporate is losing money it’s “All of us in America lost 700 million in productivity”
But when profits are higher than ever before it’s “Sorry there’s no bonus this year, we’re giving our CEO a 50 million dollar parachute. We know you worked hard so here’s a thank you card and a candy bar”
Truly sad part? The tourism benefit from it was estimated at 6$ billion… but NBC doesn’t want that.
If the eclipse lost 700 million dollars, imagine what we can do if we did a general strike. The oligarchy would shit themselves.
Imagine if we blot out the sun for good!
So, over 300 million people enjoying a once in a lifetime natural event cost “the economy” about as much money as a typical CEO steals in a day?
Sounds like misdirected anger.
It’s like we forgot why we have an economy in the first place. Wasn’t it to enjoy our lives in this planet.
It’s the “avocado toast” people all over again. “Why are you enjoying anything in your life right now when you could be waiting to enjoy things in the last 10-20 years of your life (if you live that long)?”
No only for the select few, the rest of us are serfs. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the billionaires started calling themselves Ramesses XXVI or something.
once in a lifetime
2017 was only seven years ago but okay
You do realize that the path of an eclipse isn’t the same every time, right?
In Canada, some places last saw a solar eclipse in the 1920s and won’t see another one until after 2140.
Nothing was lost. Not a single penny!
People aren’t being paid for every moment they remain on task. They’re getting paid for works completed! They’re getting paid for doing their job. They don’t have to be at their desk/station/site every single moment to remain productive!
This idea that people need to be paid less if they do less work is absolute Insanity. People need to be paid a fair wage for completing jobs, whatever that may be.
People aren’t being paid for every moment they remain on task. They’re getting paid for works completed!
There are lots of jobs that need to be on task on an hourly basis, this ignores a huge class of people and assumes everyone is where you are in life.
Security guards and cashiers are two immediate examples. Cashiers need to be ready to perform the entire time they are working and can’t just work random flex hours as customers are relying on them. If customers show up during the stores hours they should expect a cashier to be working. Even if there are no customers in your line or store, there could be some in a minute or two. The “works completed” are transactions completed, but also the act of being available.
Security guards are paid explicitly to be present at specific times, the “works completed” is literally sitting there the entire time.
Lifeguards need to be present even if no one is swimming at the moment.
Right. Sure. I agree with you. But you’re totally missing the point of what I was saying.
If the cashier/life guard/security personal left for a few minutes or maybe longer the company that person works for didn’t “loose” money because they weren’t at their station.
Being productive 100% isn’t possible and anything less than 100% isn’t a loss.
Companies aren’t paying people for works performed but for works completed. The life guard being there at all constitutes them being at work. Just because they left and watched the eclipse for 10 minutes or went to the bathroom or took a personal call isn’t a loss!
Which is why the only thing that matters is what work was completed not how much work they did in the time it took to complete.
We need to change the way business interpret what constitutes paid labor.
If the cashier/life guard/security personal left for a few minutes or maybe longer the company that person works for didn’t “loose” money because they weren’t at their station.
If a cashier abandons their post, a nonzero amount of people will leave without purchase instead of waiting an unknown time for them to return.
If a commercial pilot takes a detour to see the eclipse better they can cause huge ripple effects on other flights causing significant costs.
If a security guard skips out on their post for a bit the business can be robbed or otherwise liable for issues during the lapse.
If a lifeguard leaves their post unrelieved or isn’t fully paying attention and someone gets injured or dies that’s a serious financial liability (at least in the USA)
If a cashier abandons their post, a nonzero amount of people will leave without purchase instead of waiting an unknown time for them to return.
Even if there’s no one in the store because everyone is outside looking at the eclipse?
Every single person is looking at the eclipse? I traveled during the eclipse and the majority of people around us didn’t care to go outside during the peak.
Its easy to think that everyone cares about what we do.
The commenter ive replied to was stressing that not even a single dollar was lost, and believing not a single person in the entire eclipse area was trying to make a transaction during this time is silly.
Ok so you’re simultaneously assuming 0% of customers are looking at the eclipse and 100% of the cashiers want to go out and look at it?
It feels like you’re just making up scenarios here. Seems more likely similar proportions of both cashiers and customers would be out looking at it.
Now take for example a grocery store. Did the eclipse mean that people are going to eat less? Like because there were fewer cashiers, they suddenly decided they aren’t going to buy food this week? I’m pretty sure demand for food (or any other good) disappeared because the eclipse. So what’s the actual economic cost? Some businesses would have been less busy for about 20 minutes but then more busy later on.
Thinking that a 20 minute pause in production is going to significantly impact demand is what seems silly to me. But then all of this supply side economics style of thinking is silly to me.
Remind me again why people from “non-shithole” countries would want to move to the US? The priorities on display here are beyond belief.
Would you rather have a base income with the associated purchasing power of 30k+ minimum wage (e.g. all those 15/hr minimum states) or would you rather live in a country where the middle class wage is 12k or less.
Keep in mind:
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Airfare is the same everywhere. Saving $300 in the US for a flight is practically trivial even at minimum wage compared to earning $1000/mo pretax or less.
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Electronics cost the same everywhere.
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Everything imported costs more than the US in those shithole countries because the volume of imports is way less. A $10 container of hair gel in the US costs $30+ in latin american countries.
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Foreign style food is almost exclusively global american brands and/or incredibly expensive - eating domestically grown and produced foods are typical.
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Air conditioners are not affordable
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Electricity is commonly not stable, if it exists
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Things like public sewer systems are not guaranteed. Septic is common in a lot of places. Even non-well water can be hard to find in many places.
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There are no things like food pantries in third world countries. In the greater Boston area, food pantries are everywhere and will not turn away a hungry family.
There’s so many benefits to living here that we overlook completely. We look at social media and wish we were all millionaires. There are people out there making a couple thousand dollars a year and eating “cheap” local food but otherwise living in abject poverty who would do absolutely anything to jump our border to work illegally for less than minimum wage without ever collecting social security benefits or unemployment. That’s why they do.
I live in south America and even though I only make around 900-1000 dollars a month, I can afford a room, food, transportation, health insurance, going out with friends, entertainment, studies if I want to but who wants to waste money on study when I could be buying videogames, and save for investments.
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Even some us people from shit hole countries are waking up to the truth that is better to stay or just go to some other non US owned piece of land
