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    Damn, if only someone had warned us about this, maybe someone who wrote a book or something about how the imperialists will perfect their techniques for oppression abroad and then bring it home to oppress their own population. Alas, no one could’ve seen this coming.

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    Say, I’m writing a story with these things in them. If I wanted to make it realistic, what’s the best, most practical way of disabling them besides a baseball bat or a shotgun? I was thinking spray paint to their little sensor dome thing.

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      I would suggest the characters of your story try to avoid the robot dogs, rather than try to fight them. These things are covered in cameras, the whole point of them at a protest or demonstration is to identify and deanonymize demonstrators, and to be a literally walking casus belli for the cops to start using violence once someone kicks or hits the robot. It’s not the Terminator, it’s a remote controlled camera.

      Here are some handy recommendations for attack vectors that have actually worked against real robot dogs.


      Spamming random code broadcasts on 433 MHz to shut them down. (Flipper zero, or even just a garage door opener depending on how shitty your robodogs are). However, most of them also have 2.4 GHz, 5 GHz, and LTE antennas, so good luck actually getting a deauth attack or other DoS attack. You might just get lucky and send the “off” rolling code, though.

      Tripwires or bolas to trip and entangle them.

      Cargo net, they cannot disentangle themselves.

      Big magnet and some rope, just lift them up off of the ground or keep them chained to a certain spot.

      Jam sticks into the leg joints to make the motors shred them up and then overload protection will shut the joints down to prevent them from burning out against the resistance of the wood chips stuck inside.


      You’re absolutely not going to be able to generate an EMP large enough or find a magnet strong enough to damage one remotely. A Carrington-like solar storm or nuclear weapon are the only options that would do this. The EM testing devices they use to inspect things like airplanes or military vehicles are orders of magnitude less powerful, yet very nearly as unobtainable as a nuclear warhead.

      Kicking it or hitting it with a bat might dent its chassis but will absolutely not be an effective strategy for disabling it, they’re specifically designed to resist that sort of attack. See: a hundred videos of Boston Dynamics employees kicking and beating the shit out of the robot as hard as they can, and the robot immediately recovering without any problems.

      Shooting it is also a bad idea. Consider that most scenarios in which you’d want to try that would then involve significant collateral damage to you and your side when the lithium pack goes off. If you’re close enough to shoot the battery of a moving robot dog, you’re close enough to get severely injured by the battery.

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      Nets will defeat most robots pretty easily as a trap or area denial.

      Sticky liquids with grainy shit in them (like sand) can gum up the joints.

      Literally just a large enough quantity of water would do it to some of them because they’re not waterproof.

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        Wow I never knew that’s how they killed the Dallas shooter guy.

        Speaking to the police negotiator he said:

        The talking is over. It’s time for a revolution, brother. If you are my brother, turn your weapon on those behind you.

        fidel-salute based-department waow-based

        Edit the cops later said about the guy who was shooting them:

        “We had negotiated with him for about two hours, and he just basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many did he get and that he wanted to kill some more.”

        Holy shit can we get an emoji of this guy

        Micah Johnson what a man

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      Any type of beverage or liquid I imagine

      Wait actually I guess you’d first have to corrode the exterior which makes me think some kind of acid

      I’d have to brush up on my very basic chemistry, but these are great things to think about

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        Polypropylene and polyethylene are pretty chemically stable, if they spray a PTFE coating over the top, chemical attacks are kinda useless.

        They’re not all that enclosed though. Submerging the robot in water or spraying it with a high pressure spray would work well. Rather than trying to drench it repeatedly with benzene or aqua regia, just get a $50 cordless pressure washer and find a hose.

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      Emp shockwave? I think there’s a way to make one from just power transformers around town. But I’m not sure, I could have just made that up because I can’t remember where I heard it.

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        Nope. There is no non-nuclear weapon device on earth capable of generating a weaponizable EMP.*

        While power distribution systems can create smaller EM Pulses, they’re way too small and weak to do much damage to anything that isn’t wired directly to it. It could fuck up your computer, but only if it’s plugged into the wall. It could maybe make some random wireless electronics act weird, too, but not something like these robots.

        • Edit: There are many devices that can create an EMP, but the pulses they create are not powerful enough to remotely fry most electronics at a useful distance.
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          Oh, interesting. I probably heard my thing from some shitty online sci fi story, because I went through a phase where I was super into absolute garbage short sci fi stories online.

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            So, CHAMP is an HPM weapon, which is not technically the same thing as an EMP. High Power Microwave weapons can also mess up electronics in the same way as an EMP, but they use a very specific chunk of the EM spectrum and are highly directional. Neat tech, but obviously upsetting in the context of being military technology.

            CHAMP’s follow-up successor HiJENKS is vaporware and since a demonstration in 2013, the ground-based version of CHAMP hasn’t really gone anywhere. It was this massive 6m thing and HiJENKS was supposed to be the route to shrinking the tech I think. Right now it’s packaged as a cruise missile, and is seemingly being deployed as an alternative to deploying nuclear weapons. I feel like that’s pretty much just as much unobtainable as a nuke.

            I dunno, maybe if we’re all fighting the SkynetGPT paperclip maximizer after it starts building an army of infinite robot dogs, it’ll come in handy?

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        No way that’s going to work without doing even more damage to every person’s cellphone/laptop/TV, including whoever just happens to live in the apartment nearby.

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          TBH I see this as something a maker space does in collaboration with an ominous antifa-shaped organization, essentially they black bag the dog into a Faraday cage, it’s driven off by someone to an undisclosed location for torturing robodogs, then it’s brought to a mass graveyard of concrete blobs.

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      At the rate we’re going, black mirror is set to become the next Simpsons with regards to predicting the future.