Import some commies, they know how to build good public transport.
Do you enjoy the virtual joysticks on phone games? This but for steering (x) and speed (y).
Gyro master race. Tilt the car to turn.
Whet flickstick will be used for?
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Before that, self driving will become good, and they’ll ban manual driving except for rural and remote areas.
self driving will become good
As soon as there are self driving delivery trucks, I’m becoming a road pirate
I think your chances would be better against a human driver. Once these are fully automated they will have about 20 cameras covering every angle possible.
Yeah but then you have to deal with a human driver, possibly you have to hurt them, at minimum you’ll have to scare the shit out of them. With a self driving truck you’re only hurting the corporation.
the EU is already passing legislation to require core functionality isn’t hidden behind a touch screen.
good public transit is more likely to happen and I’d put my money on subscription based self driving taxis.
subscription based self driving taxis
Can’t wait until the Lime Scooter can travel 80 mph
Yeah i have hated it for years My personal car is old and has buttons for everything but still a touch screen if I want it.
My work car is like dealing with an ipad to change the volume etc. It’s not safe
My BYD has a decent mix. It has a volume knob on the steering wheel which you can press to mute, and a previous/next button.
If you want to mess with your playlist though, you use the touchscreen. You’re not supposed to do that sort of thing while driving.
I’m having such a Baader-Meinhof effect with those BYD’s
Where I live its essentially a small country town despite being a capital city.
I had never heard of them and saw one last week on the road and then I saw an add for them at the airport and three since I went interstate yesterday and now seeing it mentioned here.
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To add to this watching the footy and its there in a shirt
Is that an Australian team? I don’t recognize the crest—and the tiny flag thingies below look say Sidney. I’m just curious.
The moustache gives it away.
Yeah Sydney Roosters Rugby league team
You guys have seperate work and personal cars?
Yeah mobile crane mechanic, company pays my fuel and car.
Be fucked if I were to travel around with all my tools in my personal car making someone else rich
Out of curiosity, do you own your tools?
Yeah i own my own tools in Australia most mechanics do.
You need the flexibility to have what you want and need, not relying on what someone else thinks will get the job done
Touch screen steering is surely coming.
It will save the corporations tons of money not having to manufacture a steering wheel.
They’ll sell it as a “high tech feature” and use it as an excuse why the car is more expensive than last year
Surely having a physical steering wheel is a requirement otherwise they’d have already innovated with driving solutions before now.
Oh, there have been attempts. Joystick controls, for example, in Mercedes concepts (F 200, SL R129 Concept, Vario Research car), or in actual farming vehicles. Recently, several automakers tried yokes. For now wheel is the cheapest (and simplest) way to make a car steer, we’ll see some funky shapes probably.
edit: also if steer-by-wire takes off, I imagine physical steering linkage would still be required. In that case it wouldn’t save money.
Joystick controls sound fun for like bumper cars
And screens have become popular because people think they’re fancy, hi-tech, expensive. But ironically they’re cheap and nasty. They are much cheaper to make than haptics, knobs, dials, etc.
Enshittification of automobiles
Always cheaper to buy a big flat piece of glass that’s already mass produced than to design and manufacture a custom control interface.
Cheaper? They don’t care about cheaper. That custom control interface is a revenue stream.
I think those old toyota and saab (orange or green is best) screens are nicer to look at than most new ones. Btw have any automakers even tried going above 60hz refresh rates? lol
honestly i’ll be surprised if they even go above 30hz
I think they’re LCDs, where refresh rates are way less relevant
wait why is refresh rate less relevant in LCDs?
TFT cells in LCD panels hold the image for pretty long between refreshes so there is little difference between 60 Hz and 120 Hz. Yes, 120 Hz will allow for 120 fps but that/s not really relevant for basic GUI.
Meanwhile, a 60Hz OLED panel is as flickery as a CRT TV because the LEDs only glow when being refreshed.
With a 30Hz LCD panel, you might notice the direction the refreshing goes across the screen, and there might be a little less contrast, some inconsistency between pixels, and a soft moving gradient if this interferes with the backlight frequency (since most backlight is DC now, this problem only really manifests with reflective LCDs under flickery mains lights).
Meanwhile, a 30Hz OLED panel would be seizure-inducing and unwatchable.
that makes sense, thanks. i havent ever used an OLED display, so i just didn’t know about the differences
Displays have to be driven in multiplex because you can’t just wire each of the 6 million subpixels (4 million for Samsung OLED cuz they alternate red/blue in a checkerboard) of a 1080p screen to a pin of a chip that has the screen RAM and powers subpixels continuously. Therefore, the chip will have row and column outputs, and use a technique called “multiplexing” that powers only one row at a time.
It’s really about how the pixels respond to being driven. In TFT LCDs, driving a subpixel will charge its memory capacitor to a desired voltage, corresponding to the target brightness. Over the next few milliseconds, the subpixel will fade into that color as the nematic elements twist in response to voltage. Over about one second, the capacitor would lose its charge and the LCD would fade to its resting state (all-white for positive ones). You can see this if you suddenly kill power to the driving board while leaving the backlight on. So it needs to be recharged (redriven) in a few tens of milliseconds. Subpixels do get a little brighter between refreshes but that’s very subtle and not noticeable at 60 Hz unless it’s a passive matrix (STN without those capacitors, like a Game Boy screen) under flickery lighting.
Meanwhile, OLED pixels are black while not currently being refreshed, so the difference in brightness just before and during refresh is not about +0.1 % but -100 %, just like with CRT phosphor. It relies on human eyes’ persistance of vision to create an illusion of a complete image. It varies from person to person, but anything below about 60 Hz gets uncomfortable after long periods, and below 40 Hz (especially around 10-20 Hz) can be seizure-inducing. But again, the magnitude of flicker matters as much as frequency.
If it’s good enough for a Galaxy class, it’s good enough for my car.
Shut up, wesley
In the future, you will have to sit in the back seat with a VR headset on, so you can drive the vehicle with a controller in third person.
“Alright, buckle up. We 'bout to go for an INSANE STUNT BONUS!”
‘Welcome to Kuh-rayyayayazay Taxi! Select your destination! Would you like to play either the Offspring or Bad Religion during your ride?’
Download a Burnout revenge skin pack and I’m sold
Not every car is a piece of shit. Mine has a touch screen for configuring parameters I honestly don’t think you need a dedicated button for, like “lane drift alert volume” and those can only be done when the car is parked.
Everything else either has a button as well even if they had to dig deep into the plausible locations to get there, like “press the button on the end of the turn signal to disable lane centering while adaptive cruise enabled”, or it only allows voice communication while in motion, like the typing based commands for navigation.I think the only time I’ve wanted to use a setting that didn’t have a button was when I was on a stretch of freeway in traffic where I didn’t feel keen on pulling over if I could avoid it, and I got gunk on one of the radar sensors. Since it couldn’t get a coherent reading it refused to turn on cruise control since it was set to adaptive. I had to drive without cruise control for a while until I pulled into a gas station and was able to clean the gunk. The setting to disable adaptive cruise control was touchscreen only, and locked out when the vehicle was moving.
So I get what you’re saying but at least from my point of view that’s still too much unnecessary shit, mind you I think cup holders are optional but hear me out. The problem isn’t the touch screen per-se it’s everything else reliant on it cruise control, lane assist, and back up cams are all either unnecessary or in the case of the back up cams a failure of design. All a lot of folks want is a basic as shit car where the most complex thing inside of it is the door ajar light.
In many ways cars are too computerized they have so many points of failure that I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if we see a generation or two being bricked because of another capacitor or CPU plague. That’s also not getting into their shitty interiors, I fucking hate my grandmother’s car but maybe Ford in particular is bad. Point is they have too much shit going on maintenance wise and frankly speaking lots of folks just want what amounts to a 2001 era car, enough electronics for maintenance while still being relatively easy to repair and replace hell for backup cams you could even have a cool popup screen.
But maybe I’m just a biased asshole who is a borderline luddite and only has really driven cars from the early 90s to 01, point is I will labatomize any new car if I am somehow forced to use one.
everything else reliant on it cruise control, lane assist,
That’s stuff’s on buttons in many, many cars.
back up cams are all either unnecessary
They really aren’t. With thicker pillars (for better safety, but also sometimes for design purposes) the more cameras you have - the better.
You can still buy incredibly simple cars, just look at PSA, Dacia/Renault basic models or Fiats that have been in production for years. Hell, Mitsubishi ASX turns 15 and all they did was stick a big screen for a radio. Suzuki S-cross imo is the sweet spot, a small screen for 2 functions (radio/phone audio, camera) and physical controls for the rest.
Or just don’t buy new cars. I think you’d like VW Up, big selling point of it was the lack of a navigation system because they get outdated so quickly, so instead there’s just a nav holder.
So buy a car without those things, or don’t use them. It’s not like you can’t drive my car without those things, and every one of them, barring the camera for obvious reasons, is controlled by a physical button. Better yet just don’t drive. If more people took public transportation we’d be better off.
I don’t particularly want to drive. When I do, I’d prefer to have climate control, not need to crank a window, and for the car to be able to tell me someone is going to clip me when I’m backing up. No matter how small the support bars are, the driver will never have as good a view as the radar sensor mounted on the side of the rear bumper.
Backup cams aren’t a solution to a design that limits visibility, they’re a solution to “most people won’t turn their heads when backing up”. People like their necks more than they like their neighbors kids.
It’s one thing to say that you want a no-frills car, and another entirely to say that car design peaked 30 years ago, and even further than that if you want a car that isn’t impacted by electronic component failure.
