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There was one time, when Turkey had a legitimate chance of joining the EU, back in 2005ish. Back then, one of their biggest supporters of their EU candidacy was Greece. Greece wanted to normalize the relation with Turkey and Turkey wanted to become a normal european country. Greece was even willing to throw Cyprus under the bus, by supporting the Annan Plan, which was objectively terrible for Cyprus. Though the thinking was “if Turkey becomes “normal”, then any negative part of the deal wouldnt be relevant, it could be like Belgium”. Though Cyprus(and pretty much all its political parties) voted against the deal.
Erdogan was seen as the extrovert, moderate muslim, someone who could merge moderate Islam with european values.
Nowadays, Erdogan and Turkey are on a completely different place. Erdogan has said “we might come on night” and “our missiles can reach Athens”.
https://www.politico.eu/article/recep-erdogan-turkey-threat-against-greece-g20/
Turkey is constantly pushing their “blue homeland” concept, which basically includes a lot of greek islands in the Aegean. And thats on top of ridiculous Exclusive Economic Zone(EEZ) claims that basically say “(greek) islands have no EEZ rights”. Turkey feels that it has been historically wrong and that they need more “breathing space” in the Aegean sea(where Greece owns all the islands except 3).
And even the turkish society is different. There is a greater chasm between western/urban Turkey and the rest of Turkey. There was a hope that the rest of Turkey could slowly transition closer to european values, but nowadays it seems the country is getting split in half and each half is moving further away from the other.
And last but not least, the russian invasion of Ukraine has shown to the world that integration and shared economic interests do not always translate to peace. So do we really want to do the same mistake with Turkey?
PS I am greek, so i am biased.
Careful EU, with how they are leveraging NATO I imagine they will try the same thing once in the EU. Is it as difficult to kick a country out of EU as it is to kick one out of NATO?
Yes, requires all member states to agree. Which sucks as EU would love to get rid of Poland and Hungary right about now.
EDIT: Replaced Romania with Hungary.
No, there’s no mechanism for expulsion, only suspension
While true, suspension is more than likely to lead to self expulsion.
Well it’s never happened so I wouldn’t say it’s likely. And why would they self expel when they continue to have single market access?
Pride.
€ > pride
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Yes, thank you.
Why those 2 countries? Genuinely curious. Not in EU and I don’t really know what’s going on there.
Both are far-right autocratic governments who gladly take EUs money, while blaming everything on EU (in Polands case especially Germany). Both block tons of important political decisions. Hungary is arguably a dictatorship with no free media outlets and questionable elections, Poland steers in the same direction. The widespread racism, antisemitism and homophobia are also a given.
I honestly had no clue. Before you guys answered, I was thinking it was more about the economy. I appreciate the explanation.
Thanks!
I seriously hope that they won’t be able to while they’re warmongering in the east and keep on abusing the Greek borders to the west and claim that Greek lands belong to them. If they stop their bully behavior and play nice with their neighbors then I’ll be glad to welcome them and keep history in the past.
Why would you allow Turkey in when they so clearly made their choice in who to lead them?
