• Deconceptualist@lemm.ee
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    The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

    – George Orwell, 1984

    (Edit: quoted the whole passage previously but that’s not really necessary)

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    Not surprising. I bet that little bit of US government “waste” will continue to be as wasteful as ever, if not more so.

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    8 hours ago

    Ah yes, because a video of a Nazi salute isn’t antisemetic but a jewish college student protesting apartheid and wearing a keffiyeh is! What a time to be alive!

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      What a time to be alive

      I wonder what life would have been like to at least just not know that there are so many evil people out there. I’m jealous of that.

      I feel like I’m stuck in a spot where I feel ignorant if I tune out but depressed as fuck if I don’t.

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        Don’t get exhausted before the real fight, otherwise we’re doomed. I better start seeing more of ya’ll taking the day off work and risking your salary to stop Nazi’s, otherwise you might as well be one yourself.

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            Okay, keep working for your salary and don’t show up to protests, see what happens. You’ll either fight them eventually or take their side to pay the bills.

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              I’m not totally convinced that protests matter at all. Riots seem to be much more effective. And labor strikes. If you can file a permit to protest then you already know that it’s permitted because it’s not a threat to the system.

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              I used to go to a lot of protests. I moved to a bigger city, partially to do so. I don’t feel any of the protests moved the needle at all, unfortunately. I got a call from a former friend of mine (who had already gone off the deep end into conspiracy theories) because he saw me on Alex Jones who was rolling C-SPAN footage of a protest. It was under 10 degrees F that night. My partner at the time almost got frostbite.

              But you go on ahead and be entirely unempathetic and assuming you know people’s lives based on jack shit.

              This is why we can’t have nice things. People with similar political goals cannot even be slightly nice to each other. You clearly were just waiting to jump down my throat.

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                Oh I used to, and still do, go to a lot of protests. I make the choice to do so, and continue doing so. I agree they haven’t moved the needle one bit, which is why I keep telling everyone at these protests “We should be doing this in gated communities outside the houses of millionaires and billionaires, not outside buildings they never go to block traffic for other workers.” Would you go back to protesting if say an Occupy or BLM movement happened in gated communities, outside the homes of the rich?

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                  Yeah, I would if anything about the protest seemed like it could make it more effective. You could stand to treat people better, and so could I. I’m in a bad fucking spot and I just really don’t need to be chided like this shit is even .0000000000001% my fault. It’s fucking not. I didn’t ask for this shit world/country.

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    Ah yes, let us trust the fascist to tell us that the another fascist is clear of wrongdoing.

    I’d be willing to bet the Jewish community outside of Israel doesn’t agree with Netanyahu’s sentiments on Musk

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      I don’t know, I tend to agree for the most part, but I think there are more conservative jews than you think, even in america.

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        Oh yeah there are. I just went a Jewish funeral in America and the sentiment of those attending do not match what we would prefer. Very much pro-Israel.

        Funny enough it was the older man they didn’t want to invite because he was an A-hole racist and Trump supporter (apparently not anymore) who spent the whole time “bringing down the mood” by talking about how bad things have gotten.

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      The spiritual predecessor of his party actively tried to ally with the Nazi’s during WW2.

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          Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on “nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance”.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)

          Yitzhak Shamir was one of the leaders of Lehi, who went on to become the 7th PM of Israel. He joined Herut who merged into Likud, and served as leader of the Likud before Netanyahu.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir

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            Shockingly, it’s not even the most bat shit insane idea possible. One of the Nazi’s preliminary ideas for “what to do with the Jewish population of europe” was simply mass exile, I believe Madagascar was their favorite. But, had the campaign for North Africa gone differently, they coulda been the ones to set up the Israeli state. Who knows what the ramifications of that would have been, but it’s hard to imagine it being better for the local inhabitants in the short term.

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    This is what kills the ADFs and Israeli whining on antisemitism.

    They’ll call any statement saying Palestinians aren’t disposable refuse antisemitic. Yet, when a guy they like does literal Nazi salutes while quote tweeting shit from the protocols of the elders of Zion “oh he’s just having fun”.

    These are the most antisemitic organizations on the planet. They don’t care about protecting Jews, they care about protecting Israel and will gladly allow an antisemite propagandist in their ranks if it furthers that cause.

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    He relies on us for his ammo. He will say whatever the admin wants him to in order to get that ammo.

    Find a less indebted Jewish source of commentary.

    So what happens to Musk when Trump dies of his shitty health? Vance is owned by Theil and Theil doesn’t like Musk, going all the way back to PayPal’s inception.

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      I keep thinking I’m going to wake up. Or maybe this is hell. Hell wouldn’t be just torture, but also some dangling of false hope.

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    It’s completely unfair to accuse Musk of Nazi heiling. Just because he has expressed clearly Nazi tendencies, and his parent were Nazi’s too, that moved to South Africa because white supremacism dominated and was the law of the land.