https://theintercept.com/2023/10/13/israel-settlers-gaza-palestinians-west-bank/

Settlers and soldiers have killed 51 Palestinians in the West Bank since Saturday. At least two Palestinian villages have been entirely depopulated.

Settlers — Israeli Jews living in the occupied West Bank — and soldiers have killed 51 Palestinians in the West Bank since Saturday, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah. At least two villages, Al-Qanub and Wadi Al-Sik, have been entirely depopulated as a result of the violence by Israeli settlers.

the rest of the article is a list of local stories.

    • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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      I’m not, I’m pro Palestinians and pro Israeli… I’m anti Hamas, Netanyahu and Settlers though

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        That is good, but read what people post here, it is completely fucked up. Twisting reality and history to fit their narrative. On Reddit I see it mostly the other way around, with overwhelming support to Israel, wanting to flatten all of Gaza etc. People are fucked up.

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              Technically using white phosphorus in a densely populated area to start fires is just a war crime…

              But yeah, Israel’s actions fit the modern definition of genocide, because they’re treating civilians as enemy combatants and bombing the evacuation routes they told civilians was safe

              In contemporary international law the crime of genocide is part of the broader category of “crimes against humanity,” which were defined by the Charter of the International Military Tribunal (Nürnberg Charter). The charter granted the tribunal jurisdiction to indict and try the leaders of the Nazi regime for inhumane acts committed against civilians, as well as for acts of persecution on political, racial, or religious grounds; in so doing, it also contributed to the international criminalization of other forms of abusive conduct.

              https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide

              You don’t get a free pass to commit genocide because a completely unrelated group tried to do on to your ancestors 80 years ago…

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                Hamas says IDF bombed it, IDF say it was Hamas. We don’t know. Hamas has a ton of reasons to do that, the IDF has essentially only the “they want to commit genocide” side of reasons. But in a very odd way, since they try to avoid killing civilians otherwise, which that sides argues away with “secret genocide”, which this obviously would not be. So I tend to assume that it was Hamas.

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                  We do know, though. Israel, officially and as a government policy, has been bombing this area for nearly 80 years. What Hamas did is deplorable but not at all unexpected. Unless you expect them to just be ok with being regularly bombed and with their families executed, I’m not sure how anyone can be surprised by Hamas’ reaction. The number of people dead on the Palestinian side dwarfs the number dead on the Israeli side. It’s not even close no matter how you slice it (men, women, children, total) and, to me, seems more like a little kid who has had enough of their bully picking on them and stabs them in the eye with a pencil. It’s horrible but would it still have happened if they weren’t constantly being bullied? I doubt it.

      • Eheran@lemmy.world
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        Both sides say the other side did it. Do you already know which one it was? I don’t. Hamas appears to be more likely, but we will see.

        Otherwise: I agree.

        • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
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          I think it was the BBC who broke it down with shadow analysis and geolocation to prove it happened where and when they said it did.

          Israel has already bombed right next to the border crossing to Egypt to shut it down.

          If I have 2 groups and one bombs a border crossing and then someone bombs an evacuation convoy then that is just pattern recognition.

          I will allow that there is a chance that it was Hamas, but occams razor my friend

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            They bombed there to stop the transfer of fuel from tanker trucks.

            How is Occam’s razor against Israel in this question?

    • Dax87@forum.stellarcastle.net
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      its just so sad. i thought reddit had pretty extreme views, but lemmy seems to be just worse. i guess this is where the crazies went when they got banned from reddit.

      and lemmy’s growth will suffer for it.

      • TheTetrapod@lemmy.world
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        It’s not extreme to recognize that a US-backed apartheid state is running an extermination campaign against a marginalized group. While a small number of Palestinians are members of Hamas, that doesn’t give Israel the right to commit genocide. Not that they’ve needed “the right” to do so for the past 70 years.

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          A small part of Germans were Nazis, but all of Germany had to be defeated to stop their terror. How would you have dealt with them?

          Hamas are far smaller, obviously, but able to commit just as fucked up atrocities. They actively use the innocent civilians as their meat shield. How to deal with them?

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            Yes. The terrorists use the suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza as an excuse to attack Israel.

            Now; If the government of Israel was to stop the horrible treatment of Palestinians by rightwing ‘settler’ provocateurs and its own soldiers, then Hamas (or any other terrorist organisations) would have very little excuse to use Gaza as a base.

            • Eheran@lemmy.world
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              They wanted to destroy Israel ever since it exists. Attacking it on the first day after they declared independence. Not accepting any sort of deal, only wanting destruction.

              How to deal with people that want to destroy you, never settling for less? Despite getting defeated every time.

              • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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                What?

                Do you think Israel was just empty land no one was using?

                If the people who used to live their for generations attacked it the day after Israel was formed…

                Doesn’t that just mean they tried to fight off invaders to protect their home?

                You’re acting like Israel was somehow the victim for stealing a shit ton of land that was culturally significant to the rightful residents.

                If me and my cousins showed up to your house, told you God gave it to us, would you “attack” us to defend your home? Or just go off and live on the street a couple miles away?

                • Eheran@lemmy.world
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                  Millions of Germans were removed from east Europe after WW2, with 100’000s dieing. Nazis did not come back and terrorise those countries.

                  Something that happened 80 years ago is absolutely not a valid reason to keep killing your own and the “enemies” people.

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                    Millions of Germans were removed from east Europe after WW2, with 100’000s dieing. Nazis did not come back and terrorise those countries.

                    1. I do t think k that happened.

                    2. Are you saying if Israel dissolved and left the area there’s be peace? Finally, we agree on something.

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                Israel was a settler-colonial project from its inception. The people living there had every right to oppose it.

                Despite getting defeated every time.

                Might makes right?

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                  Yes, opposite it. Look for a solution both sides can agree on. Fighting war for 80 years with the started goal of destroying Israel is not a viable solution.

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                    You’re pretty stuck on this “stated goal of destroying Israel” thing, aren’t you?

                    If conditions changed such that Palestinians could lead fruitful and peaceful lives, then they would do so. Even under current conditions they mostly just try to get by.